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Old 02-05-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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The best route for many in the future will be the trades that cannot be outsourced: electricians, plumbers, carpenters, pipefitters, and the like. There will be some math and they do require some mechanical aptitude, but they'll make more money and enjoy more freedom in the future than most. Ask yourself: can the job be sent overseas? Does the job have to be done? Is the field already overcrowded? If no to all, it's a good bet.
Most of these jobs require a lot of basic math; the kind of math our schools don't want to ensure that students understand thoroughly.

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There's another stereotype. Accounting does NOT require higher math. It just requires adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, and calculating percentages or ratios. Accounting becomes difficult because you are applying these very simple tasks to commercial transactions and sometimes regulatory/legal concepts. A lot of people who slog through college with C+/B- averages in business sometimes inadvertently end up in accounting positions and, because of industry knowledge they accumulate over the years (insurance, health care, defense, construction, etc.), they sometimes do better in life than one would expect.
Accounting does not require higher math but many accounting programs require completion of calculus and a couple courses in statistics.

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Also, whatever major you choose, be aware that math requirements will vary from university to university, for the same degree, and within a university for different degrees, often in a way that makes NO sense at all.

I was previously planning on attending a university in another state for a Bachelor's in Speech-Language Pathology. That school did not require college algebra as part of the core and was fine with a student taking Liberal Arts Math. As someone who struggles greatly with math, the LA math is still tough but I have a much greater chance of actually passing it vs. college algebra.

When I decided not to move there and researched other schools, many of them insisted on college algebra for the same degree. BS, BA, didn't matter.

The silliness is apparent at my own current school. I was previously a "Pre-communication disorders" major (again, Speech-language pathology) and while they were officially wanting college algebra, they were willing to accept Lib Arts math from a student if the student had taken it elsewhere and transferred the credit, in lieu of College algebra. So I was going to be able to go back to the community college and take it then transfer it and get an exception.

Now, I have changed majors to psychology and I MUST have the stinking college algebra to take statistics. With my previous plan I needed statistics too but not specifically psych stats and so the pre-req math class could have been LA Math.

Doesn't make sense to me at all since previously I was considered a "Health Professions" student, so more of a hard-science set of courses, and now I am under the Liberal Arts umbrella as a psych major. My point here is, there doesn't always seem to be a rhyme or reason with what is required and what is not, so if you are trying to avoid a certain math class, it pays to poke around and see who requires what. Some of it just seems completely arbitrary to me.
Good point about what different colleges and different schools within the same university require. It is similar with taking a foreign language. It is always a good idea to research the specific degree requirements when deciding on a college.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I am not good at higher math either, but if I had a do over I think I would like accounting. I know many instances where people who were like me have found success at something orderly and predictable like accounting.
Algebra is not higher math.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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I see. I'm not knowledgeable in this area so I have nothing concrete to add. All I can say is that you must find a tutor who has experience teaching Math to students who have a condition similar to your condition.

Math, whether you like it or not, is used in almost all day-to-day dealings so you need to master the basics to be successful. Good luck!
I know addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, percentages, etc.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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Even if you are OK with math and science, it's a good idea to avoid most of Sci&Eng fields (job wise). Sci&Eng are very competitive (especially sci) since it's open to just about any Chinese peasant who has no other options in life than zombifying himself in schools & labs 24/7. Sweatshop like conditions killed science as something creative and enjoyable, imo. It's a good idea to disregard each and every career "counselor" BS, they either have no clue or they are less than straightforward about "what it takes" and "chances to land a job". And they definitely have no clue about "what it takes to keep a job".
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Even if you are OK with math and science, it's a good idea to avoid most of Sci&Eng fields (job wise). Sci&Eng are very competitive (especially sci) since it's open to just about any Chinese peasant who has no other options in life than zombifying himself in schools & labs 24/7. Sweatshop like conditions killed science as something creative and enjoyable, imo. It's a good idea to disregard each and every career "counselor" BS, they either have no clue or they are less than straightforward about "what it takes" and "chances to land a job". And they definitely have no clue about "what it takes to keep a job".
Then what jobs are left?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Then what jobs are left?
Common, only 5% of population does something that remotely requires above average Math&Sci knowledge and credentials. 95% do something that don't require a sci&eng degree. There is some serious marketing misinformation out there. What to do depends on your goals, big bucks, above average security, interests, etc.. Just follow the herd if you don't know what to do, the jobs with highest social status incidentally offer the highest ratio of (pay off/efforts). Please, disregard each and every career "counselor" for your own sake.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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Common, only 5% of population does something that remotely requires above average Math&Sci knowledge and credentials. 95% do something that don't require a sci&eng degree. There is some serious marketing misinformation out there. What to do depends on your goals, big bucks, above average security, interests, etc.. Just follow the herd if you don't know what to do, the jobs with highest social status incidentally offer the highest ratio of (pay off/efforts). Please, disregard each and every career "counselor" for your own sake.
95% do something that don't require college education. Seriously, most of the office jobs require nothing about college education.
Math, science and engineering REQUIRE college education, and those who succeed are guaranteed to be smart and self-motivated. ANY employer loves smart and self-motivated workers.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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95% do something that don't require college education. Seriously, most of the office jobs require nothing about college education.
Math, science and engineering REQUIRE college education, and those who succeed are guaranteed to be smart and self-motivated. ANY employer loves smart and self-motivated workers.
Are you saying I'm doomed?
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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Are you saying I'm doomed?
Of course not. But you need to show you are talented/skillful in other ways.
A science degree from a decent college with decent GPA always shows that.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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Of course not. But you need to show you are talented/skillful in other ways.
A science degree from a decent college with decent GPA always shows that.
For now, I'm taking online at my local CC for 2 years, then 2 years at UT. It's because it's cheaper, according to my mom.
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