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Should not the colleges as well as the students be held to a certain degree of accountability for all the money they charge for degrees that are almost worthless?
Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them? The colleges themselves should do more to teach job creating fields. lots of business majors, where is the business?
Maybe colleges should offer courses in self sufficiency, common sense and hard work, it may actually lower the unemployment rate. But then again they probably wouldn't know what they were teaching.
Even if everyone majored in professional degrees, and companies decided to stop expecting people with 10 years experience to walk in through the front door, there wouldn't be enough jobs. Millions of people with degrees re going to have to work jobs that don't require them. We can hand out degrees like candy, and even if people gained the skills that the degree is suppose to represent, there simply wouldn't be the jobs to absorb them.
Should not the colleges as well as the students be held to a certain degree of accountability for all the money they charge for degrees that are almost worthless?
Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them? The colleges themselves should do more to teach job creating fields. lots of business majors, where is the business?
Maybe colleges should offer courses in self sufficiency, common sense and hard work, it may actually lower the unemployment rate. But then again they probably wouldn't know what they were teaching.
All colleges are failing? What kind of accountability are you talking about? If a student graduate, he/she should be guaranteed a job?
When students are looking for a college, it's their responsibility (and their parents) to take the end result into account. At every college we attended parents and kids always asked about job prospects. Some colleges have better career services too.
...Maybe colleges should offer courses in self sufficiency, common sense and hard work, it may actually lower the unemployment rate. But then again they probably wouldn't know what they were teaching.
This would be community college or the high schools of years ago. You be sweet.
Should not the colleges as well as the students be held to a certain degree of accountability for all the money they charge for degrees that are almost worthless?
Most colleges do. Take a look at the 500,600 and 700 level courses. They are generally up to date.
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Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them? The colleges themselves should do more to teach job creating fields. lots of business majors, where is the business?
No they shouldn't.
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Maybe colleges should offer courses in self sufficiency, common sense and hard work, it may actually lower the unemployment rate. But then again they probably wouldn't know what they were teaching.
Nope. That's not the purpose of college. Stop using college to solve every problem in the nation. It cannot and should not do that.
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Even public universities have to balance their budget. They offer the classes that people want to take, and will reduce or eliminate the ones no one signs up for. Any blame for taking useless classes falls upon the students.
Should not the colleges as well as the students be held to a certain degree of accountability for all the money they charge for degrees that are almost worthless?
Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them? The colleges themselves should do more to teach job creating fields. lots of business majors, where is the business?
Maybe colleges should offer courses in self sufficiency, common sense and hard work, it may actually lower the unemployment rate. But then again they probably wouldn't know what they were teaching.
If you read the news, you'll see that Obama has a plan for college accountability. Unfortunately, it's a really bad one, as are all govt plans to fix things they know nothing about. However, college is, ultimately, a product, and you have to be a smart consumer. Plus, business is one of the most popular - and unemployed - majors. There are no guarantees of a job, no matter the major. And if colleges only gave degrees in money making majors, then soon enough those degrees would also be worthless. There should certainly be more transparency, and an end to professors and departments "recruiting" majors by making them seem more relevant than they are, but the main thing that has to happen is that students and parents have to get more savvy and make better choices.
Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them? The colleges themselves should do more to teach job creating fields. lots of business majors, where is the business?
So, your idea is that universities should become tech schools?
Should not the colleges as well as the students be held to a certain degree of accountability for all the money they charge for degrees that are almost worthless?
Lots of out of work graduates who can not find a decent job, why is there not more of a focus on the actual "educations" being offered and the schools that offer them?
The third url has a particular interesting set of numbers.
Projected change in number of workers with bachelor's degrees from 2010-2020: 3,656,100
Projected total job openings requiring a bachelor's degree due to growth and replacement needs, 2010-20: 8,562,400
The third url has a particular interesting set of numbers.
Projected change in number of workers with bachelor's degrees from 2010-2020: 3,656,100
Projected total job openings requiring a bachelor's degree due to growth and replacement needs, 2010-20: 8,562,400
I can't take those numbers seriously. They are always optimistic, and overly so. Also, requiring a degree to get the job, and requiring a degree to perform the job with pay that reflects that, are two different things. There is absolutely degree inflation. Jobs that don't require any degree, are asking for them simply because employers know they can get it. Why do they want it? Well why not. Will the pay reflect the education? No, it's the same job that HS graduates did before the crash, the position will not be any more productive, so the pay will not increase. Good luck paying back your student loans on what use to just be HS graduate income.
When a job says, all you need is a degree, they don't care what it is, that's a bad sign as far as pay goes. When most go to college, not the rich, and not those who are lucky enough to get full scholarships or somehow find the time to work enough and go to a cheap enough school to not incur any debt, but for most graduates, who have debt, you need a job that pays that much more, just to cover your debt, and many jobs that ask for degrees, don't pay that couple extra grand a year that you need.
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