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1. Why don't they work hard in high school to get funding? And if they don't should we really subsidize education for students who haven't shown potential?
2. Why should the government and taxpayers be on the hook for students who statistically, drop out of college before completing and/or progressing innovation and research?
because so many jobs require a degree even to be entry level.
because so many jobs require a degree even to be entry level.
That's a major part of the problem. Even so, it's not the government's responsibility to intervene. The constitution empowers the government to promote the progression of science and arts. Funding students to go to college so they can get a private sector job does not support this constitutional directive. We should reassess how funding is used in higher education.
You are correct aboutthe PA program most people graduate with a BS in science or excersise science the Graduate program is 27 months in most schools...
The conversation was about whether or not all PA programs are graduate programs, not about what most people currently do. ARC-PA is requiring all PA programs to transition to masters programs by 2020 because there used to be and there still are some certificate programs at community colleges and bachelors programs in PA. Yes, there is a difference between post-baccalaureate and post-graduate.
Take Red Rocks Community College, for example. They offer a post-baccalaureate certificate in PA studies, but their accreditor says they have awarded 0 graduate degrees. They are only authorized to award certificates and associates degrees. They aren't even authorized to award bachelors. http://www.ncahlc.org/component/com_...,/instid,1049/
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That's a major part of the problem. Even so, it's not the government's responsibility to intervene. The constitution empowers the government to promote the progression of science and arts. Funding students to go to college so they can get a private sector job does not support this constitutional directive. We should reassess how funding is used in higher education.
I think the companies requiring degrees for entry level is more so an effect of the promise of college than a cause for it (as well as being an employer's market.) You see even associates (in the least) required for positions that do not ask for a bachelor's.
I do agree though, we need to look at changing the funding of college through government as well as removing the accessibility of loans.
1. Why don't they work hard in high school to get funding? And if they don't should we really subsidize education for students who haven't shown potential?
2. Why should the government and taxpayers be on the hook for students who statistically, drop out of college before completing and/or progressing innovation and research?
1. Primarily because of competition. Top performing high school students still compete for scholarships and merit aid at many public universities and for acceptance into private universities where scholarships and merit aid are automatic.
Potential is a broad term that can be applied differently to varying situations.
2. I agree if the students do indeed dropout, however, I am of the mindset that an educated society is ultimately the best society. It is no secret that the majority of those in college these days are not there to progress anything but their own potential paychecks. Sad, but true.
1. Why don't they work hard in high school to get funding? And if they don't should we really subsidize education for students who haven't shown potential?
2. Why should the government and taxpayers be on the hook for students who statistically, drop out of college before completing and/or progressing innovation and research?
I've said this several times on this forum (though not in a while.) I grew up in the years before No Child Left Behind but New York always had standardized tests (the Regents) dating back to the 90's the latest. In fact, the only time when the neighbors in back of us was quit was during finals due to studying for the Regents. In middle school, I had a few regents (French and US history in 8th grade I remember for a fact.) By 10th grade and 11th grade, I was burnt on the New York States Regents and even though I had two/three years left, I was tired of high school. I wasn't doing my best work because I was burnt out. If you went by high school, you would likely think I didn't have potential. Compared to college where I carried a 3.34 GPA during my associates and a 3.33 GPA in my bachelor's.
I've said this several times on this forum (though not in a while.) I grew up in the years before No Child Left Behind but New York always had standardized tests (the Regents) dating back to the 90's the latest. In fact, the only time when the neighbors in back of us was quit was during finals due to studying for the Regents. In middle school, I had a few regents (French and US history in 8th grade I remember for a fact.) By 10th grade and 11th grade, I was burnt on the New York States Regents and even though I had two/three years left, I was tired of high school. I wasn't doing my best work because I was burnt out. If you went by high school, you would likely think I didn't have potential. Compared to college where I carried a 3.34 GPA during my associates and a 3.33 GPA in my bachelor's.
Heck yeah! We took standardized tests back in the 60s, though not so many.
I remember standardized testing almost 20 years before NCLB became policy.
Exactly, and it hasn't made education any better through expanding it like NCLB and Race to the top has. I've found they offer no value and just burn out students.
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