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Old 04-21-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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He said it is harder to get into law school than into a PhD program?

The top 10 programs in my field had acceptance rates of 5-10%. Harvard Law had an acceptance rate of 15.3% in 2013.......Explain to me how that math works out.

A quality, fully funded PhD program is harder to get into and harder to graduate. The classes may be slightly more difficult in law school, but that is also likely because they cover a larger quantity of topics and topics that the student isn't necessarily interested in/spending time learning on their own. You don't go into a PhD program if you aren't interested in the topic and spending 50-80 hours a week either studying or reading about.
There are very, very, very few fully funded JDs. And most PhD programs do not have that low of an acceptance rate. Maybe your particular program is harder to get into than law school but that not so for the vast majority of programs.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Directly from the source you cite: "However, even though many masterís programs accept people with unrelated bachelorís degrees, it wouldnít be smart to go into graduate-level classes blind. Which is why most grad schools require career changers to take certain prerequisite courses prior to applying."


Try it in math, physics, chemistry, electrical engineering, chemical engineering, and the like and see how far you get.
In my program, you wouldn't be accepted without a Bachelor's in accounting, and if you were accepted without a Master's in accounting, you were required to complete all of the Master's level accounting coursework.

You see very few later career changers in accounting because the remediation work is so extensive.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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There are very, very, very few fully funded JDs. And most PhD programs do not have that low of an acceptance rate. Maybe your particular program is harder to get into than law school but that not so for the vast majority of programs.
Top PhD programs in every field are fully funded. You are making false comparisons here.

I am comparing top programs to one another.

You are picking and choosing.

You can compare Harvard Law to a PhD in English at Illinois State and you are right, Harvard Law is probably more difficult to gain acceptance.

I will compare Harvard Law to a PhD in Industrial/Organizational Psychology (my field) at Penn State (essentially equivalent in prestige of programs within the given field) and Penn State has a much lower acceptance rate.

There are some joke law school's too though that accept essentially everyone that applies (Barry University, Nova Southeastern are two that come to mind), so you could compare those to your Capella Universities.

If we are comparing top programs to top programs in most PhD fields the PhD program has a lower acceptance/offer rate, which is actually pretty impressive when you think about the fact that tens of thousands more people apply to law schools every year.

Edit: Or let's compare Harvard to Harvard, as Harvard has a PhD in Org. Behavior (similar to I/O Psych).

2013 Harvard's Law School acceptance rate: 15.3%
Harvard's PhD in Org. Behavior acceptance rate: 2%. (98 applicants, 2 offers).

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Old 04-21-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^Surely someone at the top of his game should know how to make a word plural.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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Just curious, do you consider PA school, medical school and dental school "legitimate" graduate schools? After all, everyone takes the same time regardless of undergraduate background. How about schools that award MEds, MSWs. MHRs, MBAs, MSNs, MPHs which basically work that way too? Or are those just "weaker" disciplines?

I am anxiously awaiting to hear what degrees make up the weaker disciplines.
Since you are trying to count angels as they dance on the head of a pin, I will point out that medical school, dental school, nursing school, and law school are not graduate programs. Rather, they are professional programs.

But far more importantly, your premise is quite wrong -- medical school has a long list of prereqs, as do dental school, PA school, as do post-BS nursing school, business school, accounting school, PT school, OT school, etc. etc. People who do not meet a long list of specific requirements either do not get into these programs, or if they do get in they are required to complete a substantial number of remedial courses, unlike law school which has no specific requirements.

The post-BA/BS time to completion differs for students in most of these these programs depending on their level of preparation. For example, a student seeking the MD who lacks adequate preparation in science will need a year or two of remedial work that is not needed by a student with adequate preparation. So post-BA/BS time to completion of the MD may be four years for one student and six years for another.

Law school is not like this. Again, law school has no prereqs of any kind, except for a BA/Bs in any field, which is rarely true outside of law. The JD comes three years after any BA/BS, that's it.

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Old 04-21-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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^^Surely someone at the top of his game should know how to make a word plural.
Come on, for goodness sake . . . shame on you, Kat
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Kind of a self-serving statement, no?

http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/...Statements.pdf
Well, they are both terminal degrees.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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^^Surely someone at the top of his game should know how to make a word plural.
lol, seriously. +1 for Kat. You win at internet grammar! From now on I will wait until I get off my iphone before I post, so I can review my posts for any typos and grammatical errors.....
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Come on, for goodness sake . . . shame on you, Kat
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lol, seriously. +1 for Kat. You win at internet grammar! From now on I will wait until I get off my iphone before I post, so I can review my posts for any typos and grammatical errors.....
Sorry. It's one of my pet peeves. And Hamish, people have said far worse on this forum.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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And Hamish, people have said far worse on this forum.
I agree -- I'm one of the guilty
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