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Old 11-16-2017, 01:45 PM
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Originally Posted by Hamish Forbes View Post
OK, we agree that the JD is not the equivalent of the PhD.

Now we can work on which is the higher degree.

The GW School of Law provides the following info https://www.law.gwu.edu/degrees wherein the JD is at the bottom of their hierarchy, the LLM next, and the SJD at the top. The LLM is above the JD, and the SJD is above the LLM. Note: the LLM offers both generalists' programs and specialists' programs, and requires a JD for admission. Admission to the SJD requires the LLM.

The SJD appears to be the approximate equivalent of the PhD, judging from their description of the dissertation requirements: To be acceptable, the dissertation must, in the opinion of the examining committee, constitute a substantial contribution to the field of law concerned and be suitable for publication.

Observe well the progression from the undergraduate-like JD, through the masters LLM, and on to the SJD. The obvious parallel is BS, MS, PhD.

In engineering, the BS is the entry-level professional degree, just as the second-bachelor's JD is the entry-level law degree. Neither requires specific prerequisite courses for admission, although the entry-level student in engineering is reasonably assumed to have at least some competence in math and science. One then progresses from the entry-level professional degree to the MS (LLM) and the PhD (SJD).

Thus, the entry-level professional degree in engineering is the BS, and its equivalent entry-level (i.e., bachelor's level) degree in law is the JD. The JD is essentially a second bachelors, the LLM is a masters, and the SJD is the approximate equivalent of a PhD.
It varies. When I was in school the foreign guest students were awarded an LLM degree. It was the same as a JD except they got it in one year. They had to already have a law degree from their home country. In almost all of those countries, you enter law school directly form high school, or in one car after a two year initial college degree. Law school for them varied from 2-4 years.

IN California you can get a two or four year degree in legal studies, go work for a lawyer, get sponsored and take the baby bar. thus the AA or BA degree is the entry level degree, however you can also do an apprenticeship right out of high school and take the baby bar after a few years. So, there the entry level degree is a high school degree.

Perhaps it would be best to stop trying to compare a banana to a lug wrench and figure out which one is more important.

There is no comparison between the degree systems. You cannot compare them in any meaningful or accurate manner and trying to is like repeatedly biting your finger hoping it will improve your hearing.
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