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Old 04-18-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Good observation.
That's true for the M.D. as well - it attracts lots of highly intelligent people and there are several medical researchers with M.D.'s, even though the M.D. is not a research degree. But the typical M.D. is not a scientist/researcher.

ETA: This could also reflect a generational difference, now that MD/PhD programs have become pretty common.

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Old 04-18-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Here's a particularly harsh view:

Law as an undergraduate degree - Law21
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Old 04-18-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Here's a particularly harsh view:

Law as an undergraduate degree - Law21
Interesting . . . I hope that everyone following this thread takes a look.
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Old 04-18-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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IIRC a number of years ago a lawyer put DR in front of his name in legal advertisements in Florida. The Florida Bar was informed and commenced an investigation. The Bar or later the Florida Supreme Court, I can't remember which, determined that since a juris doctorate was a doctorate it was not misrepresentation for a lawyer to call himself a doctor. So it has been determined, a JD is a doctorate. It doesn't mean it is a Phd though.
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Old 04-18-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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Default ABA says J.D. is equivalent to Ph.D.

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Kind of a self-serving statement, no?

http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/...Statements.pdf
No.

Extremely self-serving.

More roughly equivalent to a non-thesis master's degree. Which is not to denigrate the effort and intellect required to earn a JD. Law school is no skate in the park.
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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IIRC a number of years ago a lawyer put DR in front of his name in legal advertisements in Florida. The Florida Bar was informed and commenced an investigation. The Bar or later the Florida Supreme Court, I can't remember which, determined that since a juris doctorate was a doctorate it was not misrepresentation for a lawyer to call himself a doctor. So it has been determined, a JD is a doctorate. It doesn't mean it is a Phd though.
The professors in my PhD program with a JD as the terminal degree put Dr. in front of their name.
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:17 PM
 
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What field are you in?
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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My goodness. If the ABA wants to use time as a criteria, then all those kids who take 6 years to get through high school and another 8 to finish 1 year of coursework at a JC should be PhDs too.

Some kids stay in kindergarten for 10 years, I know, Hello Dr.Crybaby?

The ABA is way off base here. Maybe they need to go back to school.
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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My goodness. If the ABA wants to use time as a criteria, then all those kids who take 6 years to get through high school and another 8 to finish 1 year of coursework at a JC should be PhDs too.

Some kids stay in kindergarten for 10 years, I know, Hello Dr.Crybaby?

The ABA is way off base here. Maybe they need to go back to school.
What's more, since the ABA is being silly, a MD should also be granted a PhD for his residency years; and yet another if he completes a fellowship.

A PhD should be granted an additional PhD for completing a postdoc fellowship.
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Holy, moley. That's exactly what the thread is NOT about. The thread is trying to compare the JD with the PhD, not judge the educational quality of the JD. The JD is just fine for training lawyers to practice law. Good grief . . .
Actually, that's not really what law school is about it all. You don't learn much at all about the practice of law.

Anyway, this whole thread is sort of silly, isn't it? Who cares?

In my old office the fellow two offices down had a JD, an MBA, and a Ph.D. I'm sure if you asked him he'd tell you that comparing the various degree programs would be an exercise in futility. They're different animals. To be sure, a JD requires three years of study, and that's less that what's usually required to obtain a Ph.D. But that's not the real issue, is it? Rather, shouldn't we be comparing levels of intellectual achievement? But how do you measure that? Certainly not by the number of years of study.
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