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Old 01-03-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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The issue is fraud. The fraud is being committed by big name universities as well as others. The fraud is the implication that a degree in the field of study will generate an income sufficient to pay off the loan within a timely period plus support an adequate lifestyle in the area of the job. Students are easily misguided because correct accurate timely and truthful information on jobs and career paths is almost impossible to obtain as the government and employers and others publish incorrect information.
There is no fraud being committed. Most students don't follow through and complete college. No college guarantees a job after just a bachelors degree. No college guarantees any amount of income.

Student's are misguided at their own fault. Everything is public information. It's easy to determine what you will make after a bachelors, masters, PhD, etc.
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Old 01-03-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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K-12 education is 100% covered by the government.
That's a bit misleading. K-12 is only covered if you go to a public school.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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That's a bit misleading. K-12 is only covered if you go to a public school.
Which is an option available to everyone.
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Old 01-06-2015, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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OP, the student loan market is already a huge mess and likely to get worse but federal loans(and private) will continue to get handed out like candy.
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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Great, so we can agree there should be laws to set lower tuition rates. Either that or posters here are suggesting only those who have parents with money can go to university.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NY/LA
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Great, so we can agree there should be laws to set lower tuition rates. Either that or posters here are suggesting only those who have parents with money can go to university.
Not exactly. Strong students should get scholarships and grants.
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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The argument being that wealthy donors should be solely responsible for subsidizing tuition for academically qualified but financially disadvantaged students.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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The argument being that wealthy donors should be solely responsible for subsidizing tuition for academically qualified but financially disadvantaged students.
This has worked for so many years. Donations after not the only sources of money. Patents pay a big role as well.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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This has worked for so many years. Donations after not the only sources of money. Patents pay a big role as well.
Actually the State University Systems were the bigger deal when I went through the sequence 30 years ago.

Scholarships for a few smart kids had no place near the impact that the CSU did. For the better but not top 5% students were whether they got into UCLA or had to settle for CSU. Both were affordable on a middle class salary. I was at one point carrying three and helping a fourth. I was more upper middle but I could never have handled the load at today's prices.

So we are building toward the inevitable funding by the Feds of the college degree. Almost impossible at this point to avoid. Too bad in a way...the CSU thing made more sense.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Lynn, MA
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We do have free education in this country it's called k-12 and if k-12 education actually did it's job we wouldn't need everyone to go to college.
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