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Old 05-16-2015, 11:02 PM
 
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I am curious to know how the majority of college educated professionals view a female who is a college drop out, yet has a respectable job making 40K yearly?

I do understand that many people look down on uneducated people who are on government benefits or unable to financially provide for their family. However, do those same negative views pertain to college drop outs that have decent jobs and sustain themselves?

I am guessing the opinion varies based upon if the 40k yearly earner is male or female?
In general, as long as you are doing something productive with yourself most will not care.
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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I am curious to know how the majority of college educated professionals view a female who is a college drop out, yet has a respectable job making 40K yearly?

I do understand that many people look down on uneducated people who are on government benefits or unable to financially provide for their family. However, do those same negative views pertain to college drop outs that have decent jobs and sustain themselves?

I am guessing the opinion varies based upon if the 40k yearly earner is male or female?

Who is Bill Gates, Who is Mark Zuckerberg, both left college and both resulted to change the world !!!!
There are many means to learn, University happens to be one of them. Our society sets standards to promote University as a general means to pursue a career. But, there are equally so many other means, including vocational, technical, and some people have focused skills which propel them through OJT learning, and actually working in a specific field in a great many industries.

We've become a society which in some ways is brainwashed to think "university is the only answer", when fact is, it is "one of many" means to learn.

Today, we have many who have traversed the University pathway and resulted to become mediocre and marginalized in their over all capabilities.

Unfortunately, Today, University is a "Business" and a Network Promotional Sports Franchising Business and within the overall Business Model, it has become as much about profit as it is about specific learning models. It has always been a Business, but in the past it was about "Career Tracts", more than about "degree status" and Sports Programming and its Mega Million Dollar Sports Business Structure. In being all of such, it still is only "one of many" means and avenues to learn and develop skills.

The convoluted aspect of this is: Business looks always to maximize its profit gains, often times by means which supersede the claimed premise of the business model.

Today, it has in some ways diminished the value of the BA/BS, because its more money in marketing the "Masters Degree". One has to understand the dynamic of this in Business Economic Aims; the Concert of University, Business and Human Resources work together to push these labels. By this, I mean the requirement of a Master Degree to do jobs that can be effectively done with a AA Degree, is the absurdity within our system and how its influenced by the University Economic Strategies. To this end, the AA degree has been diminished in its existence to be practically a non discussed level. We've further seen the University promotional aims which have been an orchestrated and systemic assault upon and against the Vocational and Technical Skill training programs. Yet, our world cannot function without these Vocational and Technical Skill trained individuals, as many also become innovators and creators of small business which is at the core of what makes for a sustainable economic basis within this nation.

University Tract is not for everyone, it is simply one among many means to gain information and learning, but equally so, one can't discount the other means and methods of gained information and learning, Be Aware, to know, just because of the incessantly overly advertised claim of university as being the only answer, that such promotional push, should not delude one to think this is the only means and method to learn and develop skills knowledge and proficiency.
We've seen basically two generation of young people hindered by excessive debt, vain promises that did not materialize, and massive volumes of individuals who are employed in jobs that have nothing to do with their claim of degree program. We've seen many who result to go to vocational training after the degree program, because the degree was not viable to gain them self sustaining employment. Today, a great many people work in jobs unrelated to any part or aspect of their University expenditure of time and money.

When "Status" Games are removed from the equation and the focus goes to skill development, then all means of learning becomes a value point in the arena of "learning and skill development".

University professors told the creator of FED-X that his idea would never work. But it is today one of the premier package delivery systems.
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Fred Smith, the founder of Federal Express, received a "C" on his college paper detailing his idea for a reliable overnight delivery service. His professor at Yale told him, "Well, Fred, the concept is interesting and well formed, but in order to earn better than a "C" grade, your ideas also have to be feasible.
How many Professors would have told Bill Gates his plan and ideas would not be workable? yet, he changed the world in ways that today, not only benefit society, but has in turn advanced the field of computer technology.

Vivien Thomas- Named an instructor of surgery for the John Hopkins School of Medicine. Without any education past high school, Thomas rose above poverty and racism to become a cardiac surgery pioneer and a teacher of operative techniques to many of the country's most prominent surgeons.

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Old 05-17-2015, 08:28 AM
 
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Who is Bill Gates, .
Not to argue your overall point, but I'm really bothered by the constant use of Bill Gates as an example. The reality is Bill Gates had a lot, a really big lot, of help from insiders to build Microsoft. First of all, Bill Gates didn't invent anything. At the time there were dozens of companies building operating systems. Microsoft's was NOT the best. But IBM was getting into the PC market ( you know the term "PC" was actually an IBM product name don't you? At the time, the generic term was micro computer.) and needed an operating system for their PC. Through inside connections, MS-DOS was chosen and marketed by IBM as PC-DOS. Then PCs exploded in the business world because of IBM, not Microsoft.

So in the end, Bill Gates gets credit for building a business when it was actually IBM that made the PC a household world and common in the business world. Not because they had a better product, but because they had a better business marketing scheme than Apple and the others.
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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Not to argue your overall point, but I'm really bothered by the constant use of Bill Gates as an example. The reality is Bill Gates had a lot, a really big lot, of help from insiders to build Microsoft. First of all, Bill Gates didn't invent anything. At the time there were dozens of companies building operating systems. Microsoft's was NOT the best. But IBM was getting into the PC market ( you know the term "PC" was actually an IBM product name don't you? At the time, the generic term was micro computer.) and needed an operating system for their PC. Through inside connections, MS-DOS was chosen and marketed by IBM as PC-DOS. Then PCs exploded in the business world because of IBM, not Microsoft.

So in the end, Bill Gates gets credit for building a business when it was actually IBM that made the PC a household world and common in the business world. Not because they had a better product, but because they had a better business marketing scheme than Apple and the others.

He was used as a point of reference, in reference to your point of collaborative and compilation of pre-existing tech, one would have to understand a variety of contributors, one is focus is, who is "Mark Dean", who worked at IBM. Equally so, the competitive challenge between what is DOS and what is CPM. DOS won that challenge. It is factually evident what Gates presented was borne from a compilation of what many before him had created. Nevertheless, Bill Gates is credited with the public face of what is Microsoft.

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Old 05-17-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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Who cares, you have yourself a good job. That's all that matters!
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Old 05-17-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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No one will know you're a college drop out unless you tell them. That's not normally something you tell people when you are introduced.
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Old 05-19-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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No, most people with college degrees will not look down on someone who doesn't as long as you're a productive member of society. Most people, even your friends and co-workers will never know if you do or don't have a degree unless you tell them.

Having a college degree can be a big factor in determining which social circles people move in. For example, engineers don't tend to socialize with dock workers even if they both make similar incomes (heck, the union dockworkers probably make even more than most engineers). People tend to socialize with other people of similar intelligence, interests and background and likely the engineer and the dock worker would have very little in common other than income.
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Old 05-19-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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He was used as a point of reference, in reference to your point of collaborative and compilation of pre-existing tech, one would have to understand a variety of contributors, one is focus is, who is "Mark Dean", who worked at IBM. Equally so, the competitive challenge between what is DOS and what is CPM. DOS won that challenge. It is factually evident what Gates presented was borne from a compilation of what many before him had created. Nevertheless, Bill Gates is credited with the public face of what is Microsoft.
No argument there. My argument is against using him as a model of "he didn't have a college degree" because what most of the population hears is Bill Gates didn't have an education so education isn't important, when they don't know the rest of the story. He is so far from being typical that it sends the wrong message.
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Old 05-19-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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I am curious to know how the majority of college educated professionals view a female who is a college drop out, yet has a respectable job making 40K yearly?

I do understand that many people look down on uneducated people who are on government benefits or unable to financially provide for their family. However, do those same negative views pertain to college drop outs that have decent jobs and sustain themselves?

I am guessing the opinion varies based upon if the 40k yearly earner is male or female?
The large majority do not. In fact, after you've been out five years or so, people really stop caring about that and worry more about how well you do your job.

What people really care about? The ability to work hard. The ability to form a grammatically correct sentence. The ability to think critically and persuade. The ability to get to the heart of a problem consistently and solve it. The ability to think for oneself.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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The male/female things doesn't matter. I agree with a PP that there is no such thing as a "college drop out;" it doesn't have the same connotation as not finishing high school. I really don't think anyone I know (most of whom are college educated- at least a bachelor degree, many with an advanced degree) would care one way or another. If you are supporting yourself and are a positive contributor to society, I can't see why anyone would care if you went to/finished college or not.
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