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Old 05-29-2015, 05:06 AM
 
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I don't see how the above is relevant to my post because I already know that BS and BA degrees exist in all of those subjects. Liberal arts is an academic term used to describe academic subjects. The general consensus in academia is that the liberal arts are the natural sciences, social sciences, humanities, and mathematics.

Whether or not computer science is a liberal art among academics is trickier. Some colleges treat it as a liberal art and others don't. The school where I earned my bachelor's degree treated it as a natural science. Computer science courses met the natural science requirement in general education.
Some school put CS in the mathematics department too.
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Old 05-29-2015, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't see how the above is relevant to my post because I already know that BS and BA degrees exist in all of those subjects. Liberal arts is an academic term used to describe academic subjects. The general consensus in academia is that the liberal arts are the natural sciences, social sciences, humanities, and mathematics.

Whether or not computer science is a liberal art among academics is trickier. Some colleges treat it as a liberal art and others don't. The school where I earned my bachelor's degree treated it as a natural science. Computer science courses met the natural science requirement in general education.
It's relevant b/c the U of CO doesn't give a BS degree in any subject area. (They do give BS degrees in non liberal arts areas, e.g. engineering, nursing, computer science). People have been talking about how a BS is some sort of higher degree than a BA.
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Old 05-31-2015, 12:13 AM
 
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the value of the degree can also be reflected on WHERE that degree is attained.. it's just a fact of life... also WHAT was studied
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Old 06-03-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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the value of the degree can also be reflected on WHERE that degree is attained.. it's just a fact of life... also WHAT was studied
I've known some people who have attended Ivy League institutions. If you go there the name of your degree will get you on-campus interviews with top consulting firms and finance right out of undergrad, often which pay 55-80k+ right out the gate. Good students from top engineering schools can get offers from these financial companies as well as the tech giants (often which pay 100k+ starting) right out of school.

For the state school kids it's different. A liberal arts degree unless paired with some hiring nepotism, good internship experience, or a more practical grad school major may not help you at all. Technical degrees can yield good salaries from these schools but often only when coupled with high GPAs, good internship experience or preferential hiring. Many state schools unlike the top Ivy League schools also don't offer much aide to non-wealthy families so you end up paying sticker price
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Old 06-03-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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I've known some people who have attended Ivy League institutions. If you go there the name of your degree will get you on-campus interviews with top consulting firms and finance right out of undergrad, often which pay 55-80k+ right out the gate. Good students from top engineering schools can get offers from these financial companies as well as the tech giants (often which pay 100k+ starting) right out of school.

For the state school kids it's different. A liberal arts degree unless paired with some hiring nepotism, good internship experience, or a more practical grad school major may not help you at all. Technical degrees can yield good salaries from these schools but often only when coupled with high GPAs, good internship experience or preferential hiring. Many state schools unlike the top Ivy League schools also don't offer much aide to non-wealthy families so you end up paying sticker price
Agree for the most part. Whilst bachelor's degrees may not be as potent as they where before and I guess in some ways is losing its value- the major you graduated with along with what school you went to, can be huge factors in regards to the post grad job search.
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Old 06-03-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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Statistically speaking, the gap in earnings between those with a Bachelor's Degree and those without has been increasing. Of course, some majors tend to have higher earning potential than others. But savvy/shrewd people who work hard and live within their means can make it work, with or without a degree.

Don't denigrate higher education, but don't denigrate blue-collar, working-class occupations and vocations, either. What works for some people doesn't work for others, and vice versa.
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Old 06-03-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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I believe it is. Pushing EVERYONE to go to college has watered down the value of the degree. A Master's is the new Bachelor's in a lot (but not all) fields.

Some jobs that wouldn't have required a BS 15-20 years ago require one now to do essentially the same thing.

I would also blame useless major fields for the inflation. For the Average person, a BS in Engineering is tough. A BS in Renaissance Wine Tasting is easy.
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Old 06-03-2015, 06:58 PM
 
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I believe it is. Pushing EVERYONE to go to college has watered down the value of the degree. A Master's is the new Bachelor's in a lot (but not all) fields.

Some jobs that wouldn't have required a BS 15-20 years ago require one now to do essentially the same thing.

I would also blame useless major fields for the inflation. For the Average person, a BS in Engineering is tough. A BS in Renaissance Wine Tasting is easy.
Interesting... There's a BS in Renaissance Wine Tasting?! I have never heard of that before.
Actually is a bit useless. And I definitely agree that it's losing value because of the push that everyone goes to school.
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Old 06-03-2015, 09:29 PM
 
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It's relevant b/c the U of CO doesn't give a BS degree in any subject area. (They do give BS degrees in non liberal arts areas, e.g. engineering, nursing, computer science). People have been talking about how a BS is some sort of higher degree than a BA.
They also give a BA in computer science, but I get your point. Your post was really in support of what I said.
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Old 06-03-2015, 09:36 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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I don't see how the above is relevant to my post because I already know that BS and BA degrees exist in all of those subjects. Liberal arts is an academic term used to describe academic subjects. The general consensus in academia is that the liberal arts are the natural sciences, social sciences, humanities, and mathematics.

Whether or not computer science is a liberal art among academics is trickier. Some colleges treat it as a liberal art and others don't. The school where I earned my bachelor's degree treated it as a natural science. Computer science courses met the natural science requirement in general education.

Pure math is a liberal arts subject. As are biology, biochemistry, chemistry etc.

Computer science is not a liberal arts subject, although it can be offered at a liberal arts college. It is an applied major. In other words, career related.

There are BAs offered in CS. However, more frequently it's a BS.
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