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Old 09-28-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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There is no degree awarded after a PhD or an EdD, so they are terminal degrees.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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There is no degree awarded after a PhD or an EdD, so they are terminal degrees.
In other countries, there is a higher degree, but this degree is rare in the U.S. Therefore, American terminal degrees for most fields is any doctorate whether it is a PhD, EdD, DBA PsyD, or some other kind of doctorate. Some fields have lower terminal degrees.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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There is no degree awarded after a PhD or an EdD, so they are terminal degrees.
LOL. It not how scholars consider "terminal" in this context.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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You clearly do not understand what "terminal" means.

Terminal degree. Take the required courses, # of units, and meet any residency requirements and you have your degree. A JD is terminal. An MBA is terminal. And yes, an M.D. is a terminal degree. Some Ed.D. programs are designed to be terminal in that the doctoral "dissertation" is a paper written within the context of a class or classes.

The obtaining is not a terminal degree. You can get in in three years or eight. Or not at all. While you need to satisfy course requirements and demonstrate mastery over fundamental principles, the Ph.D. dissertation is supposed to be a substantial piece of research that contributes to the body of literature in your discipline. There is no defined end point. This there is no terminus.

There are Ed.D. programs,usually a major research universities which are designed in a way similar to Ph.D. programs. There is one difference, however. What is the literature that is being mastered? Education is itself a multi- and interdisciplinary field. And the study of education is more akin to a professional program (law, business, medicine) than traditional academic scholarship leading to a Ph.D.

Of course, professional schools are recognizing both the disquiet among more scholarly students and in the schools themselves. In law, there is now the S.J.D., effectively a Ph.D. in law. In Med schools, scholarly researchers enter M.D./Ph.D. programs where they earn both. Top B-schools, over Ph.D.s. And many schools of education now offer Ph.D.s.

Disclaimer: I was in a Ed.D. program at a major research university. This question of Ed.D. vs. Ph.D. was constantly debated among students. I eventually left, not because of the anxiety over the debate, but to get a Ph.D. in a discipline.
A terminal degree is the highest degree offered in a given field or the degree that is generally accepted as the highest needed in a given field. A PhD is the highest degree awarded for criminal justice, so I am in the process of earning a terminal degree. It's really no more complicated than that.

What's terminal can change over time. The MFA is considered terminal, but it looks like it might be replaced by the PhD and/or another type of doctorate.

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Old 09-28-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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LOL. It not how scholars consider "terminal" in this context.
It is getting more and more difficult to believe that you are actually in higher education.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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Yet many departments do have post-doc programs, at least in the sciences. Chemistry comes to mind.

I had a summer job when I was an undergraduate, calling people to confirm their attendance at a conference. Many of them had medical degrees, a PhD in a science and a law degree! MD, PhD and JD. Double or triple docs. In the music department of a school I attended, some people pursued a DMA, which is a performance degree and a PhD in musicology. Double docs. Where I'm studying now there is a professor who has an EdD, a PhD, a JD (a law degree, and he is currently licensed to practice) and an MBA.

These are all people who love school and, presumably, scholarship.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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Also, law students who have law degrees from non-US countries can study in U.S. law schools and get a doctorate in U.S. law, an Lld.

The JD is a Juris Doctorate, but feels more like a master's program, since it is persued after the undergraduate degree.

Getting multiple degrees can be viewed as a way of postponing adulthood. :-)
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Old 10-11-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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Also, law students who have law degrees from non-US countries can study in U.S. law schools and get a doctorate in U.S. law, an Lld.

The JD is a Juris Doctorate, but feels more like a master's program, since it is persued after the undergraduate degree.

Getting multiple degrees can be viewed as a way of postponing adulthood. :-)
Unless someone is working and going to school at the same time, which is extremely common these days.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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Yet many departments do have post-doc programs, at least in the sciences. Chemistry comes to mind.

I had a summer job when I was an undergraduate, calling people to confirm their attendance at a conference. Many of them had medical degrees, a PhD in a science and a law degree! MD, PhD and JD. Double or triple docs. In the music department of a school I attended, some people pursued a DMA, which is a performance degree and a PhD in musicology. Double docs. Where I'm studying now there is a professor who has an EdD, a PhD, a JD (a law degree, and he is currently licensed to practice) and an MBA.

These are all people who love school and, presumably, scholarship.
Post Doc in the sciences is not generally considered an educational "step" but has become a source of cheap labor for PIs and a, hopefully, leg up into a tenure track position. It's more like a temp job in academia today.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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A terminal degree is the highest degree offered in a given field or the degree that is generally accepted as the highest needed in a given field. A PhD is the highest degree awarded for criminal justice, so I am in the process of earning a terminal degree. It's really no more complicated than that.

What's terminal can change over time. The MFA is considered terminal, but it looks like it might be replaced by the PhD and/or another type of doctorate.
I agree with this. The PhD is a terminal degree because it is the highest degree you can get. Post-docs are not considered a part of this simply because it is not a requirement for anyone to do a post-doc. People opt to do them.
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