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Old 10-24-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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Why do people need to go to school out of state? There is nothing wrong with the SAME DEGREES that are offered in your home state.
This argument reveals how little most people know about specialized degree programs.

Why pursue a mundane, in-state degree with a 50% job placement rate when, a few states away, you can pursue a specialized degree with a 96% job placement rate?
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:01 PM
 
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Specializing is often a big mistake early on. Take your first two years to get the general ed under your belt. Lots of time to narrow in on something as an upper classman.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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In-state universities don't always have the desired degree program.
I understand your point, but how common is that? Are we talking hundreds of students? Thousands of students? Tens of thousands of students? Millions of students needing to go to an out-of-state public university for one specific degree/program?

I know some universities that have nuclear engineering programs are shutting down their reactors on campus, since not very many people are majoring in that field, but getting back to your example, I just don't see this as a ginormous issue effecting a ton of people.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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...but getting back to your example, I just don't see this as a ginormous issue affecting a ton of people.
Only five schools nationwide are known for this particular degree program, so the number of students impacted is in the thousands. It's a "ginormous" issue for those students whose parents can't afford to cover the cost.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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Specializing is often a big mistake early on. Take your first two years to get the general ed under your belt. Lots of time to narrow in on something as an upper classman.
Some students know what they want to do before attending college. Also, some degree programs require that you choose a specific track from the very beginning.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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Only five schools nationwide are known for this particular degree program, so the number of students impacted is in the thousands. It's a "ginormous" issue for those students whose parents can't afford to cover the cost.
But if it's such a highly specialized field/program and you mention a 96% job placement rate after graduation, then they should have no problem getting a job in said field and paying back their student loans after they graduate. What's the starting salary of people with this degree, please don't say $30,000?
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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But if it's such a highly specialized field/program and you mention a 96% job placement rate after graduation, then they should have no problem getting a job in said field and paying back their student loans after they graduate. What's the starting salary of people with this degree, please don't say $30,000?
Exactly, and the starting salary averages $65K.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Should we allow students to write off college debt? I would say no, but I would also say we shouldn't allow people to create LLC after LLC when they run one into the ground, write off the debt, and start another. Why should big corporations be able to write off debt and go bankrupt when they run a company into the ground and the CEO walks away with millions of dollars when a college student can't file bankruptcy on their debt?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think either of these individuals should be able to walk away from their debt, especially when they run a corporation or LLC under and walk away with cash.. they should have to give their "income" from running the LLC or corporation back to pay off the debt. Alas the system is designed to allow scammers to get rich if they do it right.

Schools do a student a disservice by encouraging these worthless degrees and discouraging trades. Parents should be actively researching in demand fields and recommending career options to their children to counter the useless advice schools often give about what fields to enter. What jobs are in most demand, and which ones pay the most, should be what a person goes into. Like it or not, doing what you "love" might not pay the bills long term.
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Fort Benton, MT
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I love all of the talk about scholarships. Those are reserved for EXCEPTIONAL students. My problem with college is the brainwashing students get in high school, causing AVERAGE students to sacrifice their financial security to go to college, with little reward. I will use my wife, and her sister as examples. My wife wasn't a very good student in high school, she had a C average. Because all she heard in high school was "you have to go to college to make something out of yourself", she applied everywhere. She didn't get a single scholarship, she got $300.00 in grants. She wound up with $20,000.00 in student loans to cover her first year of school, at the closest university to where she grew up. She took a remedial math and English to get in, got another C average, and mid way through her second semester she was failing math. She retook the math class, failed again, and was kicked out of her degree program. We are finally paying off the remainder of her loans, 13 years later, so that she can go to technical school for an LPN program. She never belonged in college to begin with, but was pressured to do so.


Her sister also was a C student in high school. She also didn't get a scholarship, and went to the same local university. She got her bachelors degree is Psychology, but because of a C average in college, she has tried for years to get into a Masters program, and has gotten denied. She racked up $60,000 in debt. She pays $385.00 a month on an income based repayment program. It is going to take over 20 years to repay her loans. She currently works at a cell phone store as an assistant manager, earning $32,000.00 a year. College is nothing more than an anchor on her neck. The store manager in her store never went to college.


I went to technical school, for free, through a program for low income students in high school. I've made it to lower level management without having to go to college. I'm at the point where to advance, I have to have a piece of paper saying that I have a degree in something. My local Community College will cost me about $20,000.00 for the first two years, including books, and fees. It will cost about $30,000.00 for the final two years at the closest state university, again including books and fees. There isn't anything that college can teach me that 20 years of work experience hasn't taught me already. This is the reason that many, me included, feel that college is just a scam. Unfortunately for me, and others in my position, I can't get into mid-level management without it.
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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...There isn't anything that college can teach me that 20 years of work experience hasn't taught me already. This is the reason that many, me included, feel that college is just a scam. Unfortunately for me, and others in my position, I can't get into mid-level management without it.
It's an initiation rite.
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