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Having been in academics in a quality liberal arts college in the South, the administration constantly wanted to expand our student body to the rest of the country. We went through idiocy of having our logos and stationary not mention our southern city. We wanted or still want to break into US News' topic 25.
However, being from the North and lived in the PNW, I know the attitudes towards the South are generally negative for real social reasons.
I wonder if the idiocy of folks like Abbott and DeSantis will impact the universities and liberal arts colleges trying to increase their national standing. I would be very hesitant to send my kid to a school in TX now, if I wasn't already embedded in the area. Nor as a grad student would a TX program be a high priority, unless again a local.
Having been in academics in a quality liberal arts college in the South, the administration constantly wanted to expand our student body to the rest of the country. We went through idiocy of having our logos and stationary not mention our southern city. We wanted or still want to break into US News' topic 25.
However, being from the North and lived in the PNW, I know the attitudes towards the South are generally negative for real social reasons.
I wonder if the idiocy of folks like Abbott and DeSantis will impact the universities and liberal arts colleges trying to increase their national standing. I would be very hesitant to send my kid to a school in TX now, if I wasn't already embedded in the area. Nor as a grad student would a TX program be a high priority, unless again a local.
I moved from NY to Virginia six months ago. Before NYC, I lived in Boston.
I have never had a negative attitude toward the south. I have no social concerns about the south. I would glad send my kids to a Texas college/university. And, I love Chick Fil A. Best fast food ever - awesome fruit cups and salads.
I wouldn't send my kids to Obama's 60th birthday bash with no vaccine requirement or masks. I'll draw the line there.
Having been in academics in a quality liberal arts college in the South, the administration constantly wanted to expand our student body to the rest of the country. We went through idiocy of having our logos and stationary not mention our southern city. We wanted or still want to break into US News' topic 25.
However, being from the North and lived in the PNW, I know the attitudes towards the South are generally negative for real social reasons.
I wonder if the idiocy of folks like Abbott and DeSantis will impact the universities and liberal arts colleges trying to increase their national standing. I would be very hesitant to send my kid to a school in TX now, if I wasn't already embedded in the area. Nor as a grad student would a TX program be a high priority, unless again a local.
"Real social reasons"?
Social reasons like racial diversity? Dallas and Houston in particular are exceptionally diverse big cities. A friend and his family moved from Portland to DFW a while back. He jokes that his family of four moving out cut the black population of Portland in half.
ETA - Also, "covid denial?" Sure we have our share of knuckleheads but our fully vaccination rates are not terrible, I believe Texas is just above the national average. It's not like 20% are vaccinated and the rest waiting it out in bunkers.
Hey everyone not in the top 25 wants to be there. And those in the top 25 want to be in the top 10. Money helps, because money lets you buy stars- both students and faculty.
As far as Covid is concerned- right NOW few educated students and parents will want to go to a place that doesn't require vaccines. But this is temporary and will be forgotten in a few years. Going forward- what better place than the south to read all of F. Scott Fitzgeralds' books?
Having been in academics in a quality liberal arts college in the South, the administration constantly wanted to expand our student body to the rest of the country. We went through idiocy of having our logos and stationary not mention our southern city. We wanted or still want to break into US News' topic 25.
However, being from the North and lived in the PNW, I know the attitudes towards the South are generally negative for real social reasons.
I wonder if the idiocy of folks like Abbott and DeSantis will impact the universities and liberal arts colleges trying to increase their national standing. I would be very hesitant to send my kid to a school in TX now, if I wasn't already embedded in the area. Nor as a grad student would a TX program be a high priority, unless again a local.
I wish more people DIDN'T want to come here. We never felt the housing crunch in 2008. Cities around here just kept growing right through it. Even now, with all the COVID, the demand is through the roof. Seems like most people don't share your view.
Having been in academics in a quality liberal arts college in the South, the administration constantly wanted to expand our student body to the rest of the country. We went through idiocy of having our logos and stationary not mention our southern city. We wanted or still want to break into US News' topic 25.
Many of them are waiting for full FDA approval of the vaccine next month. Employers and schools then have few legal restrictions against requiring vaccination.
That's true but I was thinking of a general area effect. Given enrollments are so tight, even small effects mean real money for schools. It's impacting schools as foreign recruitment is shrinking.
Foreign students are citing safety concerns such as gun violence. Add that to covid denial and you could lose the 10 kids needed for your budget at full tuition.
That's true but I was thinking of a general area effect. Given enrollments are so tight, even small effects mean real money for schools. It's impacting schools as foreign recruitment is shrinking.
Foreign students are citing safety concerns such as gun violence. Add that to covid denial and you could lose the 10 kids needed for your budget at full tuition.
Gun violence?
Quote:
Aug. 1, 1966: University of Texas massacre: University of Texas-Austin.
Nov. 1, 1991: University of Iowa shooting.
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech shooting.
Feb. 14, 2008: Northern Illinois University shooting.
April 2, 2012: Oikos University shooting, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, Calif.
June 7, 2013: Santa Monica College Calif. shooting
Gun violence in general is seen as a recruitment problem. However, areas like TX might have more of a negative animus, be it mythological or real. I recall talking to a Canadian professor coming to TX who was horrified to find you could get a gun permit. Left pretty soon.
It is an empirical question of whether the negative impact of governors like Abbott or DeSantis will impact recruitment. I just suggest it. Colleges with shrinking local demographics try to recruit outside their normal range. If that is impacted, we will see.
I certainly wouldn't take a faculty job in a state with an idiot governor unless I was against the wall.
It is a lie that immigrants are responsible for the COVID surge in southern states, full stop.
We have homes in both Texas and WA State with a child starting college in two weeks. In Maine. Aside from UT-Austin (which we insisted DC apply to, and where DC was accepted), DC was uninterested in applying to Rice, the only other southern college we recommended. Great school, but Texas.
We absolutely considered pandemic-related public health directives and population characteristics in choosing a school.
Here is the direct result of catastrophically failed ideological leadership and prideful ignorance:
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