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Hi, with the growth of online learning, the growing expense of traditional universities, and the deterioration of university standards, I am curious if students out there are considering online universities as viable alternatives to traditional universities. Also, since America's junior colleges are increasingly oversubscribed, I am curious whether online universities have also become alternatives to junior colleges.
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Thanks ahead of time for your honesty.
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Last edited by Sandpointian; 03-07-2009 at 12:47 PM..
I've taken online classes and frankly I think they are the future. They are great for lecture classes which is what most college classes are these days. You go to class, listen to the lecture, study and take the exam. You can do all that online these days. I've taken online classes at a community college and they are worth it.
My daughters take online classes (primary school level). They are four years ahead of their cohort with little extra work.
If I had a small group of students, I can teach four years of economics and finance in one year at a level superior to most majors at Ivy league schools.
Online courses have become increasingly scalable.
Stanford University just started an online high school.
I agree, I can easily see online universities transcend what we see today.
I've taken online classes and frankly I think they are the future. They are great for lecture classes which is what most college classes are these days. You go to class, listen to the lecture, study and take the exam. You can do all that online these days. I've taken online classes at a community college and they are worth it.
I agree with that IF you can see/hear the lecture on TV or the internet. I have taken online courses before with no lecture, you just have to read the book and study, and I prefer to have a lecture class because I tend to retain more if I hear a lecture on it as opposed to just reading the text.
How old are you guys? 25? You have a lot to learn.
Interesting that you would first dig up old posts. No matter, you probably know little about how economics is taught in the Ivy League...LOL...even if you are an economics student in an Ivy league school!
I'm not particularly politically correct, so let me enlighten you.
Economics is the most popular major in the Ivy League. It is the most popular because econ is made very accessible, watered down if you will. It is so for two primary reasons. One, US higher education is based on the consumer model. Difficulty is out, accessible is in. More majors means more faculty and higher paid faculty. In addition, a watered down economics is a great major to combine with another major for the double major or double degree (e.g. economics & math, econ & comp sci, econ & psych, econ & history). Do your due diligence. Compare the rigour of undergrad economics in the US versus what one finds at the better schools in Japan, China, Latin America or Europe. US curricula is econ lite.
Two, US higher education is based on the liberal arts model. This is why schools have a wide array of distribution requirements or general education courses. This is why American graduates are becoming a scarce commodity at the top technical programs in the world, including economics. This reality is one the world has known this for a while. I suggest you take a look at the face board of the Ph.D. program at any top 10 program. So you may want to do a bit of research before throwing around terms such as "ignorant" when it should be obvious to anyone in the field what the facts on the ground actually are.
Now the US does turn out some fantastic economists. A large number of these were physics or mathematics majors in college. Pure economics majors are hard to find at the top PhD programs, unless they have distinguished themselves along the way (a 4.0 is irrelevant).
Now to the statement, which you found "bold" and I found obvious. Re-read. The statement reads, "...to most majors." There are a small % of economics majors the US that are fantastic. They know enough take a more rigorous pathway through the econ major. They know to pursue the honours track, to do research, and to jack up their quants. They know that one is more likely to find a PhD in mathematics studying a PhD in economics than a US student who majored in econ as an undergrad. Again, just look across the pund for guidance.
Therefore, for the bulk of Ivy League students, my assertion holds. In fact, any recent professor of economics in a field that requires a wide array of tools in econ canmake the same assertion.
Open your eyes, guys. Instead of trying to be clever with juvenile quips, you might actually learn something... about the declining state of US education...perhaps about your own...
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P.S. Zoo: Thanks for your input. This was an informal poll. Besides, if the aim was to get some sense of the nature of what interest there is, the poll design was sufficient in an online, message board poll...
Oh geez sir, thank you so much for teaching me. You are so wise!
You typed all of that and did nothing to back up your statement.
Also, can you provide a link stating econ is the most popular major for ivy leaguers. I know two school that this is incorrect.
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