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I can't find this year's but they don't seem to change much.
I looked at their rankings, and I think their system is as flawed as US News'. For example, Penn State is ranked #6 among national universities, ahead of the University of Illinois (#13). However:
Quote: No one has ever won a Nobel Prize while serving on the Penn State faculty. No one who has served on the Penn State faculty has won a Nobel Prize after leaving Penn State.
There's more in that article, such as no one with an advanced degree from Penn State has ever won a NP.
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University of Illinois | College of Law | News ArticlesUniversity of Illinois boasts 23 Nobel Prize & 19 Pulitzer Prize winners. A world-class university - Since its founding in 1867, the University of Illinois ... University of Illinois | College of Law | News Articles... - Cached - Similar
Penn State-University Park is always rated as difficult to be admitted to b/c they have these "Commonwealth Campuses" throughout the state, where many students are admitted to attend their first two years. Some even have master's programs. They are glorified community colleges. My dad taught at the Beaver Campus as a retirement job, with an MS in Engineering and NO teaching experience whatsoever.
Universities like Florida are known regionally and not abroad such as Berkeley or UCLA. University of Florida has somewhat of a low acceptance rate of 30% - 40%.
katiana READ CAREFULLY _ Those ratings are based on WHAT THE UNIVERSITIES DO FOR THE COUNTRY not the normal which is best to attend. I put that link in there because it was a different approach. Hmm......
Black- Florida has a great acceptance rate if you're a criminal- there have been 21 arrests of football players over the past 4 years. Maybe the 30-40% means is for non -crim types who can't play sports.
Penn - UNC is not the best school in the south- Virginia and Texas are.
"try to get into Florida or UGA" gee why would I ever do that? I did get accepted to U GA law school and was even encouraged to take a Dean Rusk scholarship but it wasn't a top choice. They were really nice to me though.
One of the things you don't seem to understand is the class size and quality of student teacher interaction. My son may go to Univ of Texas. His friends will probably attend and its cheap. He scored perfect in many of TAKS tests and his SATs are right at 2000. He could also go to Harvard or Georgetown ( he won the state bar journalism award + many more such things). I look at Texas as a huge factory - for law it has 500 students. Indiana had classes with 30 students, although both were good schools UT was ranked higher - but at which would one get a better education? Teachers know you at a small school and you get individual attention ( which one might not want lol).
The Big Ten is good from top to bottom - I don't look at Indiana as being near the bottom -its just smaller and in a small quiet place instead of a major metro. The same with Iowa- great school.
You may look down your nose at Criminal Justice or Criminology but the country needs better and smarter law enforement solutions more than it needs "sociologists, antropologists " and many other majors. There is also a real market for this major and believe it or not - there are people who go to college to obtain a job or career.
How do you know I don't understand class size and student/teacher interaction? I am, after all, a teacher. I teach high school math and sciences (well, I can teach them, I am a dad for right now).
You don't understand the distinction between undergrad admissions and graduate school admissions.
When you're dealing with the elite public universities, ggetting accepted out of state is a very tough feat. What's one thing that California, Florida, Texas, and Georgia have in common?
An education is what you make of it. My dad went to a state schools and that didn't hinder his getting accepted to the best med school in the country.
katiana READ CAREFULLY _ Those ratings are based on WHAT THE UNIVERSITIES DO FOR THE COUNTRY not the normal which is best to attend. I put that link in there because it was a different approach. Hmm......
Black- Florida has a great acceptance rate if you're a criminal- there have been 21 arrests of football players over the past 4 years. Maybe the 30-40% means is for non -crim types who can't play sports.
Well, OK, but how do they evaluate that? Both U of I and Penn State have county extension services that have master gardener programs, etc. I probably need to read the article more closely (last night I was pretty brain-dead from work).
katiana READ CAREFULLY _ Those ratings are based on WHAT THE UNIVERSITIES DO FOR THE COUNTRY not the normal which is best to attend. I put that link in there because it was a different approach. Hmm......
Black- Florida has a great acceptance rate if you're a criminal- there have been 21 arrests of football players over the past 4 years. Maybe the 30-40% means is for non -crim types who can't play sports.
Florida is not all about sports. Of course 30%- 40% is for the "non-so-called criminal". I don't know what you are getting at "if you are a criminal". UF is a very respected university in its academics. It's a top tier in-state university along with FSU and UM and, also, a cheap flagship school. Not everybody plays sports. Football players are football players. They are generally accepted for their talents and they are sub par among the average accepted students, not always the case.
katiana READ CAREFULLY _ Those ratings are based on WHAT THE UNIVERSITIES DO FOR THE COUNTRY not the normal which is best to attend. I put that link in there because it was a different approach. Hmm......
Black- Florida has a great acceptance rate if you're a criminal- there have been 21 arrests of football players over the past 4 years. Maybe the 30-40% means is for non -crim types who can't play sports.
Your comments about Univ. of Florida are way off. UF is extremely difficult to get accepted to. It is the 3rd largest university by student population in the country. It has been included among the top schools in various university ranking publications including 2nd best value in public education, 8th best place to work in academia, 12th in new national merit scholars enrolled, 49th among all colleges and universities in the country, freshman retention rate of 94% is among the top 10 universities in AAU, top 5 universities to transfer biotechnology to the marketplace and more. Of the more than 51,000 students at UF, criminal football players are a miniscule %. You sound like your team got beat by UF football somewhere back in time.
Florida may be an ok school overall as most major state universities are at least decent, but as you are from the state of Florida- doesn't this article bother you? They also spend, along with Texas and OSU the most on football. Where are their priorities? If Cal - Berkeley even spent a fraction of that, they could at least say -we've done the best we could academically FIRST but this doesn't work for Florida. Cal still manages to go to bowl games almost each year but they do it cheaply and sports comes after academics.
No, Florida never played any schools I was interested in - I like the Pac 10 and Big Ten, where academics count.
It honestly doesn't bother me one bit. Like I said, football players are football players. Even if it's under Meyers or any other coaches, each student is accountable for their own actions. I don't care for FSU, but their whole team cheated.
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