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Thanks for the article.. but im hoping more was taken from it than just the fact that there are low graduation rates in HBCU's. That cant be denied, but we also shouldnt ignore the reasons it gave, which mostly had to do with lack of money, and student not being prepared properly for college by their former schools. Lets not just have people thinking the black kids just dont finish college. (for no apparent reason.) With all that said, I still believe that HBCU's have quite a bit to offer.
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I thought I would throw in one stat comment and then back out of this thread.
Average scores are very misleading, especially for schools with multiple missions such as HBCUs. Better would be to look at quartiles. If a school has a large concentration of students in the lower quartile, then it may represent a school dominated by remedial courses. If a school has a large population in the upper quartile, then this means that successful and ambitious students will find plenty of company and may have confidence to receive an excellent education. It is for this reason that there are so many incredible people that come from so many different universities, HBCU and otherwise.
I find great value in any school that strives to educate and is very open to, black people. What a person does with that educational opportunity is up to them.
My experience has been that those who were serious about their education did well at these schools and in their careers.
Some HBCUs, especially the smaller ones, do have lower requirements than the state schools, but there are small "white" schools that also have lower requirements too.
Also, you said MOST HBCUs are inferior. Inferior to what? Inferior where? For example, a Morehouse graduate trumps Kennesaw State grad.
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Originally Posted by dreamgirl84
I was just wondering where I could fine some of this statistical data, for both the HBCU's, and other Universities...
US News & Report is a start. Just plug in the numbers of a couple HBCUs and compare them to your run of the mill non-HBCU. By small "white" schools are you referencing religious institutions or are you stereotyping less known schools in a particular area?
Here is some slightly outdated states but the underlining notion is the same:
US News & Report is a start. Just plug in the numbers of a couple HBCUs and compare them to your run of the mill non-HBCU. By small "white" schools are you referencing religious institutions or are you stereotyping less known schools in a particular area?
Here is some slightly outdated states but the underlining notion is the same:
Ok, these show average SAT and ACT scores, and graduating percentages for HBCUs only. You did not show any comparisons with similar non-HBCUs (in terms of size or private vs public). I still don't see any data that shows all or most of them to be inferior, though, I agreed that some HBCUs do have lower entrance requirements. Is that your definition of inferior?
(By small "white" school, I was referring to anything not an HBCU).
Ok, these show average SAT and ACT scores, and graduating percentages for HBCUs only. You did not show any comparisons with similar non-HBCUs (in terms of size or private vs public). I still don't see any data that shows all or most of them to be inferior, though, I agreed that some HBCUs do have lower entrance requirements. Is that your definition of inferior?
(By small "white" school, I was referring to anything not an HBCU).
The number of non-HBCUs is far greater than historically black colleges. Doing so will include over 2,000 universities. Like I stated, most HBCUs have low admission requirements; indicative of the avg. sat and gpa scores of applicants. And yes, inferior to me is determined by these scores. Smarter people usually make more money and this adds to alumni giving and the further prosperity of a given college.
I think it's rather naive to refer to anything not HBCU as small "white" because most HBCUs have spreads of atleast 95% whereas a school you would consider majority white will still most likely display an 85% white spread at the worst case scenario.
I didn't attend a HBCU, but I've got three cousins who attended the same institution, a college in South Carolina. Two of them went to school and became professional students. One did not graduate. I don't blame the college for this; they just came from an upbringing in which they were pretty much given everything and they didn't have to work for it. The other cousin went the opposite route. She didn't do so well in high school, but she excelled at the same school and was offered a seat in the Honors program at her school. She graduated in four years, but she did not enjoy her time there. She was ready to get out from the first weekend, but she worked hard and didn't go the partying route.
I went to a non-HBCU school, but I had the opportunity to attend a month-long summer academic camp at a HBCU after my freshman year of high school. While on campus, I saw tons of hard-working students who worked just as hard as my counterparts at my majority-white university. They took pride in their school and their resumes were impressive because they took up every chance to enhance their character by joining organizations or volunteering.
All in all, I guess it's what you put into it. I noticed though from my peers who went to HBCUs that they have a really strong sense of community and really get involved in their alumni organizations. I don't see the same amount of pride coming out of universities such as mine except during football season or basketball season. I think both types of institutions could learn from one another.
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