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Aren't Asians a minority, part of the diversity pool? Why are they such a threat? Why so much hatred for them? Institutional racism, the kind Asian students suffer at schools now, is the worst. It's against everything this country stands for -- individuals achieving their dreams through hard work and perseverance.
Aren't Asians a minority, part of the diversity pool? Why are they such a threat? Why so much hatred for them? Institutional racism, the kind Asian students suffer at schools now, is the worst. It's against everything this country stands for -- individuals achieving their dreams through hard work and perseverance.
Schools like Harvard and Princeton usually want a little more than just perfect grades, and perfect SATs, and generic extracurriculars (though that will sometimes be enough).
Asian-Americans usually have generic college resumes because most of their effort comes from pressure from their parents.
White people on the other hand, are more likely to be exceptional at something because they are passionate for it, or genuinely brilliant. Maybe some kid is already a published author at age 16, or has written a computer program that has made millions. That is the kind of person Harvard wants. If an Asian-American accomplishes that, then he'll have a better chance to go to Harvard.
The Asian-American who had the stats but gets rejected from Harvard can go to Cal Tech or MIT or Columbia. He/she can achieve their goals (likely to be a doctor or something that makes a lot of $) at those schools.
I mean, to be honest with you, that kind of goes for anybody. There's really no reason to go to Harvard except to say "I went to the best school in America."
Asian-Americans usually have generic college resumes because most of their effort comes from pressure from their parents.
White people on the other hand, are more likely to be exceptional at something because they are passionate for it, or genuinely brilliant. Maybe some kid is already a published author at age 16, or has written a computer program that has made millions. That is the kind of person Harvard wants. If an Asian-American accomplishes that, then he'll have a better chance to go to Harvard.
I'm pretty sure your statement is stereotyping, generalizing, and racist.
The truth is that Harvard/Princeton/Ivy Leagues don't want too many Asians on their campus. Asians have the overall resumes to get into these schools, but it's clearly not enough (i.e. they don't have the skin color). Asian Americans beat the admissions systems at their own game (high GPA, high SAT, massive extracurricular actives, volunteer, internships, recommendations, etc) so the admissions system is responding by discriminatory means.
This is why Harvard is currenlty being sued.
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A group that is suing Harvard University is demanding that it publicly release admissions data on hundreds of thousands of applicants, saying the records show a pattern of discrimination against Asian-Americans going back decades.
The group was able to view the documents through its lawsuit, which was filed in 2014 and challenges Harvard’s admissions policies. The plaintiffs said in a letter to the court last week that the documents were so compelling that there was no need for a trial, and that they would ask the judge to rule summarily in their favor based on the documents alone.
I think there is an unspoken part of this lawsuit that has to do with the general impression of Asian culture when it comes to producing top students. And that is that the very high-pressured way Asian students are pushed since childhood to be the best flies in the face of what American culture values which is creativity or overcoming adversity. I read of one Harvard admit who grew up in Hawaii in poverty. For his college essay he talked about spearing wild pigs for food when he was a child. He overcame his impoverished childhood and was the valedictorian of his high school. He probably didn't have perfect test scores but few could argue that his experiences wouldn't bring a very unique perspective to the school. If Harvard is required to scrap holistic admissions that kid would never have made it. I do wonder, if this was a group of white students versus Asian students would people have the same opinions?
Aren't Asians a minority, part of the diversity pool? Why are they such a threat? Why so much hatred for them? Institutional racism, the kind Asian students suffer at schools now, is the worst. It's against everything this country stands for -- individuals achieving their dreams through hard work and perseverance.
UC Berkeley went through this decades ago. They're such a threat for the same reason the Jewish students were a threat, who would flood the admissions office at the Ivy League schools with stellar HS records and test scores, out-performing non-Jewish applicants from preppie backgrounds, who felt that "their" schools were being "taken over", and that "their" seats at Harvard and Yale, which they'd taken for granted, were been taken from them. Suddenly, limits were placed on the number of Jewish students to be accepted into each Freshman year.
In Berkeley's case, White parents raised a hue and cry back in the 80's/early 90's, because Asian-American students were dominating admissions with exceptional transcripts and test scores. But AFAIK, the university didn't cave to the pressure. The Asian students were gaining admission fair and square.
UC Berkeley went through this decades ago. They're such a threat for the same reason the Jewish students were a threat, who would flood the admissions office at the Ivy League schools with stellar HS records and test scores, out-performing non-Jewish applicants from preppie backgrounds, who felt that "their" schools were being "taken over", and that "their" seats at Harvard and Yale, which they'd taken for granted, were been taken from them. Suddenly, limits were placed on the number of Jewish students to be accepted into each Freshman year.
In Berkeley's case, White parents raised a hue and cry back in the 80's/early 90's, because Asian-American students were dominating admissions with exceptional transcripts and test scores. But AFAIK, the university didn't cave to the pressure. The Asian students were gaining admission fair and square.
I agree this reverse racism already happened to Jews at the Ivy League schools back in the old days. Most Jews pass as white and are of European descent that they do not face as much discrimination as Asians now.
I'm pretty sure your statement is stereotyping, generalizing, and racist.
The truth is that Harvard/Princeton/Ivy Leagues don't want too many Asians on their campus. Asians have the overall resumes to get into these schools, but it's clearly not enough (i.e. they don't have the skin color). Asian Americans beat the admissions systems at their own game (high GPA, high SAT, massive extracurricular actives, volunteer, internships, recommendations, etc) so the admissions system is responding by discriminatory means.
I am generalizing, but I'm also Asian-American and I grew up in that sub-culture, so I know something about it.
One of my father's good friends had all three sons go to Harvard (no legacy). All were valedictorian of a very good high school and had perfect SAT scores or at least I think 1560. Harvard generally accepts you if you are that hardcore. But let's say your numbers are a little less than that.
Do you really think Harvard's admission committee looks at 2 applications and says, "Well, this guy's name is Chen, and this guy's name is Krzyzewski, we're letting the white guy in?"
I don't. I think out of 10 borderline applicants, 5 being white, and 5 being Asian-American, the Asian-Americans probably have the higher test scores, but the white applicants are more exceptional in one case or another. Jeremy Lin was exceptional. I don't know his test scores and grades, but I'm sure they weren't good enough to get into Harvard. He got in.
Also, Asian-Americans make up ~25% of the Harvard student body. So, obviously a lot of Asians were able to get in. But you're whining because YOU weren't as good as those Asians?
After accounting for the legacies, athletes, and kids of VIP's, Harvard is probably looking for the "diamond in the rough" type of kids amongst the remaining pool of applicants. Because they can.
They are not just looking for high IQ's and standard check-the-box-extracurrular activities applicants; they want potential societal game changers, and high-impact leaders of society. That is were nuances in the application are considered for acceptance. Just a guess.
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