Colorado Springs - The Negatives . (Denver: property taxes, home, rent)

[CoolColoradoDayz]

Originally Posted by MorningGlory

You call yourself a liberal? Seems you hate everybody who points out liberals arent very welcome here! Even my friends in England are aware of the Springs' reputation as a right wing haven. Verizon doesnt have nearly as much overseas as many of these IT corps do although they have an unfortunate number of Indians on those Visas for supposed "no american qualifies"

I dont know why you are so po'd that your city is what it is, at least I admit its not to my taste and want to leave. YOu on the other hand try to pretend that it is what it isnt. Maybe all your years here have afforded you time to create an isolation bubble, and make friends, but for a new person who is used to more liberal ideologies it is a serious slap in the face. My anti -Bush sticker is the only one I have seen.

I have a hard time sitting by while MG commits flat out lies and blasphemy about CS. So I'm just trying to set the record straight so that people get a fair impression about this town, while realizing MG is a quack who should be ignored (or deleted entirely).


MG, yes I am a liberal--a moderate one, not an extremist! I have no problem pointing out the negatives of CS, but I will not have someone misrepresent or lie about the city that I so many others love, regardless of political affiliation. I represent the truth, that's all I seek in life. That's great your friends in England know how conservative this city is, as many english have themselves settled here. Nor is it a big secret, remember there are five military bases here, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Let me guess San Antonio, TX for example, which has four military bases, is also a conservative town. Correct me if I'm wrong someone and I haven't looked that up either (once again an example of using common sense).

I'm not po'd that my city is what it is, I'm proud of it. Nor do I try to pretend what it isn't, certainly there are negatives about CS. What place doesn't? I have a solid foundation in reality, whereas obviously you do not. Here are a couple of examples of your confused, self centered, and narcissistic view points just in case the audience doesn't believe me:

"My anti -Bush sticker is the only one I have seen [in this town]."

"I cant live where I feel everyone I see at Kohl's is probably wondering why I wear sterling silver and not gold. Why is my child the only vegetarian in his entire school?"

"And as for the vegetarianism that noone can spell" (I might not be able to spell vegetarian, but I can spell 'none')

Audience please do not believe a word of what MG has to say, they obviously live in a different world then the rest of us.

[CoolColoradoDayz]

Originally Posted by Newintha719

Really thats not a lie about the crime, I'm from Denver but Im in the Sprngs alot, and there are pockets with bad crime, belive me. jus cuz you dont here about everythig on the news, doesnt mean its not happenin, they dnt catch everything, far from it. Ive seen alot of things go on, on the SE, my cusin I visit down here lives in the Whitney Young apts, and ive seen everything from fights (kids and adults) domestic stuff, drugs, gun shots you name it. they have bad parts on the west too, along S. nevada, mostly drugs and prostitution, yea CS doest have a bunch of ghettos, but its jus a matter of time due to how much its growing, cause certine spots deffinetly have more crime then other ereas.

I'm sorry, maybe the problem with me saying pockets of crime don't exist, results in my definition of "pockets of crime" in a city. To me a pocket of crime would be an area, neighborhood, or subdivision of a town where a lot of crime exist. By that definition I do not know of any in this city. Newintha, you mention two places that you have witnessed crime in CS--Whitney Young and "on the west too, along S. Nevada." First of all, I grew up with about an equal amount of time living only about 5 blocks from Whitney Young, and the other part of my time living in what was the northeast and now is east (Village Seven) due to growth. Also I don't visit the SE part of town, I currently live there. Just so everybody knows Whitney Young is an apartment complex--not a subdivision, neighborhood, or area of town--an apartment complex. Also Whitney Young is one of the few public housing places we have in town, so poverty and crime usually go together. I concede that Whitney Young Manor APARTMENTS is no paradise, nor is it a Capriani Green either, but is probably more prone to crime. So Newintha if your definition of "pockets of crime" is an apartment complex, then you're right, there are pockets of crime in this city

As far as the area of S. Nevada--this is the southwest part of town btw, for those who really know the city. The westside is what everyone considers along and around W. Colorado Ave, extending to Manitou--not S. Nevada. Yes S. Nevada is not aesthetically pleasing. It is one of the older parts of town that hasn't seen much renovation. Motor City is in the southwest, so it has a much more commercial feel down there. The area from Las Vegas to Southgate is pretty crappy looking--old car lots and cheap hotels. There are also alot of deralicts that frequent this area. Are they harmful, not in my experience. I will admit this stretch of town is not pretty, but does that correspond to crime, not in my 29 years of experience here. I have a friend who lives in this part of town that I visit at least once a week for years, I've never had a problem. I went to the Boys Club everyday close to here when I was a kid. This area of town was once known for it's streetwalkers (hookers), however, I haven't seen a hooker on S. Nevada for at least 10 years. Also let me mention the southwest part of town is also one of CS' more pretige parts of town, as it is home to the Broadmoor where there are million dollar homes only about a mile (or less) away from S. Nevada.

No offense Newintha, as I don't think you are being melicious, just misinformed. My point to this forum is, if you want to know the truth about a town, talk to the people who live there and have lived there. Not to the people who momentarily stop or are just visiting.

One thing that's nice about living in a conservative town is the police don't mess around with crime.

[BoXstateBoi]

Originally Posted by CoolColoradoDayz

I'm sorry, maybe the problem with me saying pockets of crime don't exist, results in my definition of "pockets of crime" in a city. To me a pocket of crime would be an area, neighborhood, or subdivision of a town where a lot of crime exist. By that definition I do not know of any in this city. Newintha, you mention two places that you have witnessed crime in CS--Whitney Young and "on the west too, along S. Nevada." First of all, I grew up with about an equal amount of time living only about 5 blocks from Whitney Young, and the other part of my time living in what was the northeast and now is east (Village Seven) due to growth. Also I don't visit the SE part of town, I currently live there. Just so everybody knows Whitney Young is an apartment complex--not a subdivision, neighborhood, or area of town--an apartment complex. Also Whitney Young is one of the few public housing places we have in town, so poverty and crime usually go together. I concede that Whitney Young Manor APARTMENTS is no paradise, nor is it a Capriani Green either, but is probably more prone to crime. So Newintha if your definition of "pockets of crime" is an apartment complex, then you're right, there are pockets of crime in this city

As far as the area of S. Nevada--this is the southwest part of town btw, for those who really know the city. The westside is what everyone considers along and around W. Colorado Ave, extending to Manitou--not S. Nevada. Yes S. Nevada is not aesthetically pleasing. It is one of the older parts of town that hasn't seen much renovation. Motor City is in the southwest, so it has a much more commercial feel down there. The area from Las Vegas to Southgate is pretty crappy looking--old car lots and cheap hotels. There are also alot of deralicts that frequent this area. Are they harmful, not in my experience. I will admit this stretch of town is not pretty, but does that correspond to crime, not in my 29 years of experience here. I have a friend who lives in this part of town that I visit at least once a week for years, I've never had a problem. I went to the Boys Club everyday close to here when I was a kid. This area of town was once known for it's streetwalkers (hookers), however, I haven't seen a hooker on S. Nevada for at least 10 years. Also let me mention the southwest part of town is also one of CS' more pretige parts of town, as it is home to the Broadmoor where there are million dollar homes only about a mile (or less) away from S. Nevada.

No offense Newintha, as I don't think you are being melicious, just misinformed. My point to this forum is, if you want to know the truth about a town, talk to the people who live there and have lived there. Not to the people who momentarily stop or are just visiting.

One thing that's nice about living in a conservative town is the police don't mess around with crime.

As a CO native and someone who actually been on thease streets ima clear the crime question, because really if your not a gang banger, drug dealer, prostitute, or dont have first hand experience with them you probably have no idea what your talkin about. See in cos your not gonna see drug dealers lineing the streets and prostitute on the corner its too small of a city for that and trust me all the criminals know this, so here its alot like how they do things in alot of southern cities, "at least when it comes to drugs" we have what you call "trap houses" and those are houses or apts, were they do their buissnis instead of doin it in plain view on the street. Also you stated that S. Nevada is known for crime? Wouldent expect someone whos lived here as long as you to say that, what do u think thier doin inside those cheap motels and run down apt complexes? also newintha was dead on about whitney young, ive lived there on and of for at least 6 years, but he forgot to mention places like the mountain country apts, Hill side apts, south point apts, B street, fountain and Chelton, Brook Side, and the list goes on, now if you arent familair with what goes on in thease areas, you really arent a reliable sorce of info when it comes to crime in COS, dnt get get me wrong im not tryin to scare anyone off, becauce the vast majority of Cos is very safe and nice, and if you stay away from gangs, and drugs and dont hang out at night in the areas I stated for most its pretty hard not to love Colorado Springs.

[janet4945]

Originally Posted by simonjtt

My family and I have been thinking of relocating to Colorado for many years and although we like Denver we are intrested in Colorado Springs. The tourist pictures look great, it seems like a great place and of course the Realtor's will always say great things! I am a great believer in a collective opinion of things, so I want to throw the question out there what are the negatives?

Have you moved here yet? I love Colorado the snow and the people.

[ryanek9freak]

Jesus, you guys take what you have for granted. So what if the traffic sucks? , Stay off I-25. So what if there's crime on the south side. I don't go there. There is plenty of cultural and nightlife , you just need to know where to look. You guys should see the place I live in right now. You'd all want to hang yourselves if you had to live here. I live in a run down, **** hole of a town in northeast ohio, right on Lake Erie, called Ashtabula (which is erie indian for river of many fish, but after all the DDT and PCB's dumped into the ashtabula river, I don't know what this town should be called now) The town has a max of about 26,000 people, there are NO jobs, unless you want to commute an hour to Cleveland (which is an even bigger ****hole) The local economy has completely failed, the city govt. reminds me of the Dukes of Hazzard, where the mayor's also the judge, and the cops are a joke. The entire west side of the city looks like somone has nuked the area, and its full of meth labs, crime and prostitution. The average income for someone around here? About $26,000, which is pathetic. Hell even the housing market is a joke. I bought a 1700 sq.ft 3 bed 2 bath house witha 2 car garage and a acre of land for $68,000!! And it's a really nice house. If I could pick it up and move it to the springs, I could prolly sell it for over $200K. You couldn't **** on a one bedroom shack for under $100K in COS. And for what I do? I can bareley top $30K a year here, which is a joke. I can literally more than double that in COS, from what i've been offered, and you know, with the rent being as cheap as it is right now there, i'd be in alot better shape. You whining morons need to get your heads out of your asses and recognize just how lucky you are to be in such a beautiful, vibrant city, and stop complaining. If you don't like it, the get the hell out. I don't like it where i am, so i'm getting the hell out@!!

[Bob from down south]

The problem I have with COS is that it's not conservative enough.

Hopefully one day there'll be an actual bounty on liberals in the Springs. Open season...but no hunting within 100 yards of a courthouse...that's considered to be a baited field, we we don't allow that sorta thing around these parts.

For liberals with IQs below 75, that was tongue-in-cheek commentary. (We actually do allow hunting of liberals near courthouses...)

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Bob from down south

The problem I have with COS is that it's not conservative enough.

Hopefully one day there'll be an actual bounty on liberals in the Springs. Open season...but no hunting within 100 yards of a courthouse...that's considered to be a baited field, we we don't allow that sorta thing around these parts.

For liberals with IQs below 75, that was tongue-in-cheek commentary. (We actually do allow hunting of liberals near courthouses...)

What exactly is a liberal anyway?

[ryanek9freak]

what's so wrong with being middle of the road? Socially liberal, yet fiscally conservative. Someone who likes their guns and weed. a Repubrocrat of sorts.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by ryanek9freak

what's so wrong with being middle of the road? Socially liberal, yet fiscally conservative.

Sounds like me.



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[MrGerardo]

Where would people rather live---a conservative town where the adults and children are civilized or a liberal one where people do whatever the hell they want without any kind of restraint. Yes, liberal cities have police, but let's be honest, there needs to be a limit on personal behavior. Too many people abuse freedom. In conservative, religious town, I have never had a problem with children misbehaving or acting like a bunch of animals.