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Old 12-02-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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And many of those who continue to evangelize that vaccines do cause autism are financially committed to the hypothesis. Some probably are just too embarrassed to admit they were wrong.
LOL, that is so funny! The other side of the coin is 100% financially committed! Poor argument.

The fact is most have no noticeable reaction to any vaccinations. That is the truth. You are right. 100% percent correct. Congratulations.

But! To many and myself with first hand experience some have severe reactions with some vaccines, including autism and even death.

It's OK to be right without degrading are attacking those that have been adversely affected from vaccinations.

The truth is there have been settlements and admissions for autism cases.

You can say maybe it was just bad doses or a small segment of the population because of genetics has issues but there is no need to whitewash the argument that it doesn't happen.

Then to state that it is about money? How ridiculous! when it is all about MONEY with big Pharm.

 
Old 12-02-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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LOL, that is so funny! The other side of the coin is 100% financially committed! Poor argument.

The fact is most have no noticeable reaction to any vaccinations. That is the truth. You are right. 100% percent correct. Congratulations.

But! To many and myself with first hand experience some have severe reactions with some vaccines, including autism and even death.

It's OK to be right without degrading are attacking those that have been adversely affected from vaccinations.

The truth is there have been settlements and admissions for autism cases.

You can say maybe it was just bad doses or a small segment of the population because of genetics has issues but there is no need to whitewash the argument that it doesn't happen.

Then to state that it is about money? How ridiculous! when it is all about MONEY with big Pharm.
Vaccines do not cause autism.

There have been no settlements for autism caused by vaccines.

There can be adverse effects from vaccines. No one denies that. Here are the adverse effects for which compensation is available:

Vaccine Injury Table

More on adverse effects:

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...rseeffects.pdf

You may continue to believe the myth that vaccines cause autism, if you wish. Just realize that if Andrew Wakefield had not lied, we would not be having this conversation.

No one here is "degrading or attacking those that have been adversely affected from vaccinations". The truth is that most who think they have been adversely affected by vaccines really have not been. But it is not reasonable to crusade for the complete elimination of all vaccines world wide because a tiny percentage of people have adverse reactions to them.

"Big Pharma" would be happy to stop making vaccines. There are other things that are more profitable.

See here for how much some of the anti-vaccination folks make:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/21520575-post314.html

By the way, pediatricians do not make money on vaccines. They are lucky if they break even. Most actually lose money.
 
Old 12-02-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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Your are in no position to tell me it doesn't.

Family in vaccine-autism case speaks - Health - Mental health - msnbc.com



Article Title Unanswered Questions from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program: A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-


ace Environmental Law Review Vaccine Autism Link Paper

Pace Environmental Law Review Vaccine Autism Link Paper - AGE OF AUTISM

Yeah, The government claims that it leads to brain ailment but not autism.

Split it how you like. But I would encourage all to research the parents testimonials then have the nerve to dismiss them so casually.

After Vaccine-Autism Case Settlement, MDs Urged to Continue Recommending Vaccines

Neurology Today: After Vaccine-Autism Case Settlement, MDs Urged to Continue Recommending Vaccines -- American Academy of Neurology

By the way I am pro vaccinations.

Last edited by Mike from back east; 12-02-2011 at 05:13 PM.. Reason: Merged 6:1
 
Old 12-02-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff’s identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.
The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal “Vaccine Court,” was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the “defendant” in all Vaccine Court cases.
The child’s claim against the government — that mercury-containing vaccines were the cause of her autism — was supposed to be one of three “test cases” for the thimerosal-autism theory currently under consideration by a three-member panel of Special Masters, the presiding justices in Federal Claims Court.
Keisler wrote that medical personnel at the HHS Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation (DVIC) had reviewed the case and “concluded that compensation is appropriate.”
The doctors conceded that the child was healthy and developing normally until her 18-month well-baby visit, when she received vaccinations against nine different diseases all at once (two contained thimerosal).
Days later, the girl began spiraling downward into a cascade of illnesses and setbacks that, within months, presented as symptoms of autism, including: No response to verbal direction; loss of language skills; no eye contact; loss of “relatedness;” insomnia; incessant screaming; arching; and “watching the florescent lights repeatedly during examination.”
Seven months after vaccination, the patient was diagnosed by Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, a leading neurologist at the Kennedy Krieger Children’s Hospital Neurology Clinic, with “regressive encephalopathy (brain disease) with features consistent with autistic spectrum disorder, following normal development.” The girl also met the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) official criteria for autism.
You can parse it however you like. I however have firsthand experience with a lovely little child and the settlement proceedings not so different from this quote above.

The distortion of the FACTS makes no difference to me.
 
Old 12-02-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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She received a settlement. You calling her a liar too? People who receive settlements are told to shut up. Some of us aren't going to shut up.

 
Old 12-02-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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Sadly, our thread has gone way off the topic of finding a doctor in COLO SPGS, so it's now closed.

Those who wish to conduct a general / national discussion of vaccination issues should do so in the Health forum.
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