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Old 11-23-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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Has anyone else noticed a massive increase in the amount of the beggars and bums we are starting to get in this city? It used to be isolated to the downtown/south areas of town, but I saw a couple yesterday at Research and Lexington! (Who, incedently, I saw wearing a Carharrt Jacket and designer shoes) Just a year ago, this was unheard of.

I don't think any of these people are actually in need, based on the fact they were dressed better than I was. I believe KKTV did an undercover sting about them, and 9 times out of 10, they were followed back to a house or nice car.

DO NOT give money to these scam artists. Something needs to be done about this problem. I'm pretty sure that it's against city code for them to be begging in street medians and crosswalks.

I had some out of town guests here last weekend, and I was embarrassed that they saw all these people begging everywhere.

I can't even go to the mall or Wal-Mart without some jerk off asking me for spare change. If you stop giving them money, they'll go away.

Edit: is was KRDO, and here is the video of their investigation: http://www.krdo.com/video/29741899/index.html (broken link)
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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There was a report on Channel 13 about that.

Suburban Panhandlers; Are They Really In Need? - Video - KRDO Colorado Springs (http://www.krdo.com/video/29741899/index.html - broken link)
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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There was a report on Channel 13 about that.

Suburban Panhandlers; Are They Really In Need? - Video - KRDO Colorado Springs (http://www.krdo.com/video/29741899/index.html - broken link)
Maybe they are occupy spillovers from somewhere else.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:03 AM
 
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There are certainly scam artists among those panhandling, but there is a quickly growing horde of newly homeless joining their ranks. These people may still have nice clothes left from the "good times" and they may even have a car if it hasn't been repossessed yet, but they are homeless nonetheless. For those of us who have jobs and income, it is easy to become "insulated" to the fact that the ranks of the destitute in this country are rapidly increasing, but they are. Many of those destitute folks got there by their own bad choices, but some got there by a combination of unwise choices combined with just plain bad luck, as well. All of this is not just happening in the metro areas like Colorado Springs, either. The small Colorado town I live in now has a number of homeless people roaming about town. The churches are trying to set up shelters so that they at least have a place to sleep where they won't be at risk of freezing to death this winter, but it is a challenge. The local food banks are strained to the max distributing declining food contributions to an ever-growing number of people in truly dire straits. All of this is just the tip of the iceberg compared to what is coming. No one is going to be secure from the severe economic pain that lies ahead for this state and this country. If you have a job, be thankful for it and hope that it doesn't disappear, because finding another may be a real challenge going forward. Also, if you have a place to live and food on the table this Thanksgiving, be damned thankful for that--because a lot of people in this country don't. Eat a little humble pie for dessert, too, because it can be way too easy now to wind up being destitute like those folks you see on the street.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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There are certainly scam artists among those panhandling, but there is a quickly growing horde of newly homeless joining their ranks. These people may still have nice clothes left from the "good times" and they may even have a car if it hasn't been repossessed yet, but they are homeless nonetheless. For those of us who have jobs and income, it is easy to become "insulated" to the fact that the ranks of the destitute in this country are rapidly increasing, but they are. Many of those destitute folks got there by their own bad choices, but some got there by a combination of unwise choices combined with just plain bad luck, as well. All of this is not just happening in the metro areas like Colorado Springs, either. The small Colorado town I live in now has a number of homeless people roaming about town. The churches are trying to set up shelters so that they at least have a place to sleep where they won't be at risk of freezing to death this winter, but it is a challenge. The local food banks are strained to the max distributing declining food contributions to an ever-growing number of people in truly dire straits. All of this is just the tip of the iceberg compared to what is coming. No one is going to be secure from the severe economic pain that lies ahead for this state and this country. If you have a job, be thankful for it and hope that it doesn't disappear, because finding another may be a real challenge going forward. Also, if you have a place to live and food on the table this Thanksgiving, be damned thankful for that--because a lot of people in this country don't. Eat a little humble pie for dessert, too, because it can be way too easy now to wind up being destitute like those folks you see on the street.
I think that is the most empathic post I have ever read from you Jazz!
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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Ditto, nice (and truthful) post Jaz. RP
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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ryanek9freak wrote:
Something needs to be done about this problem.
It's only a problem in the mind of someone who makes it a problem. Mostly I just ignore them, but on ocassion I do reach into my pocket and make a donation to the casue. No one is required to give. Pay attention to your heart and respond accordingly.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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A fair portion of those guys holding signs out on the interstate and the busy intersections in the Grand Junction area are in the 40 to 50 year old range. There are scraggly looking people, there are clean cut people. They most likely don't have college degrees, or for that matter have computer smarts. They worked with their hands and with their backs, most likely at freight docks or pushing a shovel on a spreader box on a paving crew on the interstate. And they have been well aware of their fate for the last several years, maybe longer, with the assumption ringing through their heads, "No computer experience? Next!" "46 years old? We replace guys like that with two twenty three year olds. Next!"

I worked nearly three decades in power plant and pipeline construction. I know what it's like to file for unemployment. And to run out of employment. And get behind on bills. But fortunately I was able to hang on and weather the storm. A lot of people can't for what jazzlover stated early as unwise choices and bad luck. They know that they're not the smartest tack in the carpenters pouch. They know their limitations.

The exodus of umpteen companies setting up shop overseas aggravates this situation. On a different thread in the Colorado forum I posted of a situation in Grand junction regarding a defense contractor (Hamilton Sundstand) outsourcing hundreds of well paying jobs overseas to Singapore. Disgusting.

Are there a lot of people who are stuffing it to the system? Of course there are, there are always a lot of stories in the paper about phony id's regarding social security checks, embezzlement of state funds by a state employee, etc. But don't put all those people in one box.

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Old 11-23-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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ryanek9freak wrote:
Something needs to be done about this problem.
It's only a problem in the mind of someone who makes it a problem. Mostly I just ignore them and only rarely do I reach into my pocket and make a donation to the casue. No one is required to give.


" .....Are there no prisons, are those no workhouses?"
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
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Has anyone else noticed a massive increase in the amount of the beggars and bums we are starting to get in this city? It used to be isolated to the downtown/south areas of town, but I saw a couple yesterday at Research and Lexington! (Who, incedently, I saw wearing a Carharrt Jacket and designer shoes) Just a year ago, this was unheard of.

I don't think any of these people are actually in need, based on the fact they were dressed better than I was. I believe KKTV did an undercover sting about them, and 9 times out of 10, they were followed back to a house or nice car.

DO NOT give money to these scam artists. Something needs to be done about this problem. I'm pretty sure that it's against city code for them to be begging in street medians and crosswalks.

I had some out of town guests here last weekend, and I was embarrassed that they saw all these people begging everywhere.

I can't even go to the mall or Wal-Mart without some jerk off asking me for spare change. If you stop giving them money, they'll go away.

Edit: is was KRDO, and here is the video of their investigation: Suburban Panhandlers; Are They Really In Need? - Video - KRDO Colorado Springs (http://www.krdo.com/video/29741899/index.html - broken link)

It's sad and chilling to hear someone think & talk so dispassionately about the homeless. Even sadder is I think you are not the only person who thinks that way in that region of town. The saddest part is that I grew up in that area and used to have a similar mindset towards panhandlers- assume the worst, judge them, and get mad at the huge imposition of having someone ask you for change as you walk into a restaurant to drop $20 on dinner, or as you wait for 30 seconds at a stoplight before driving off in your car and never seeing them again.

There was another recent thread about how the rest of the country views COS with derision- people like you are a major reason why. Insular, arrogant and ambivalent to those less fortunate than you.

After reading this post, I think we know who the real jerk off is.
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