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Old 01-24-2012, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Originally Posted by Bob from down south View Post
Well at least you're honest about it. Not that it's anything to be proud of.

w/r/t "hundreds and hundreds"...no, that's not me, but I do know who that dig was aimed at. You apparently can't even keep straight who it is you're arguing with.
You're right...and I apologize...but sometimes it's hard to tell you two apart...although for the most part you're a much more reasonable guy.

 
Old 01-27-2012, 11:29 AM
Status: "Goodbye fall ... hello winter" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Manitou Springs
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Originally Posted by Juliemac View Post
You got me there, Bob... those unemployed folks have all the luck. I meet them all day long at my job... with their foreclosure notices, utility shutoffs, piles of pawn tickets,.... What an extravagant lifestyle we are all supporting! Next they will be wanting help getting their medication or some other luxuries.. where will it end?? Don't they realize how hard their misfortune is for ME? Sorry in advance about the sarcasm.... I grow weary of people complaining about what an injustice it is that our tax dollars are used to provide basic needs for our fellow americans. Our tax dollars are wasted in countless ridiculous ways..this is not waste. Be gracious and thankful its not you. I am proud to be able to work and pay taxes and do my part to help others.
Thank you Juliemac.

I'm one of the lucky ones. Whoopee - it's fun living this way, wouldn't trade it for the world. I like being on the verge of losing my home. It's great fun deciding if I want to get that prescription or put gas in the car. Yep, it's a barrel of laughs getting laid off in your old age, right before the economy tanked.

No one, absolutely no one, is ever going to make me feel guilty for collecting a little unemployment. I've paid into the system since I was 14 years old. My taxes have paid for other peoples's kids to go to school even though I never had any. My taxes have been wasted and squandered on all kinds of ridiculous follies I have no say over. My taxes have gone to helping people in other parts of the world while me and my fellow Americans are falling by the wayside, left and right. Everyone can complain about how they're money is spent, but the bottom line is we all pay for everything, whether we ever use everything or not.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Originally Posted by mtngigi View Post
I'm one of the lucky ones. Whoopee - it's fun living this way, wouldn't trade it for the world. I like being on the verge of losing my home. It's great fun deciding if I want to get that prescription or put gas in the car. Yep, it's a barrel of laughs getting laid off in your old age, right before the economy tanked.
There, I left some little sob icons for you to help you feel sorry for yourself. Nobody here is saying that living on the dole is supposed to be fun.

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No one, absolutely no one, is ever going to make me feel guilty for collecting a little unemployment.
Who's trying to make you feel guilty here? I made a comment on the fact that public money is indeed the source of extended UI funding. Juliemac then responded with a load of crybaby angst about the plight of people on UI, and you follow it with even more. None of this changes the basic fact that public money is being used to pay for UI benefits almost 4 times what the program is funded for.

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I've paid into the system since I was 14 years old.
So what? I've paid car insurance for 35 years--the total of premiums I've paid are far in excess to the total benefits paid out to me. If payment of insurance premiums carried with it an expectation that everyone would get at least as much back out as they paid in, then premiums would be FAR higher--so expensive, in fact, that it wouldn't be worth buying.

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My taxes have paid for other peoples's kids to go to school even though I never had any.
Consider it paying the system back for the education YOU recieved from those who came before you. And you benefit from those educations you pay for every time you deal with someone that needs to read or do basic math to service you.

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My taxes have been wasted and squandered on all kinds of ridiculous follies I have no say over. My taxes have gone to helping people in other parts of the world while me and my fellow Americans are falling by the wayside, left and right. Everyone can complain about how they're money is spent, but the bottom line is we all pay for everything, whether we ever use everything or not.
How many letters have you written to your Congressional Rep and Senators? How many times have you paid them or their staffers a visit to let them know how you feel? Do you vote? And is profligate fiscal irresponsibility on the part of governments at all levels really the justification for even more of the same with UI?? Really?

But all that said, Unemployment Insurance is an INSURANCE program. So if the participants want to have 99 weeks of benefits available to them, they (the participants) need to pay much higher premiums commensurate with that level of benefits. Right now, participants pay for protection up to 26 weeks, not 99 weeks...the remaining 73 weeks are being paid for by others. It's like if I paid for $5000 in collision protection on my car insurance, then got into an accident and totalled out somebody's $50,000 SUV...and then handed you the $45,000 bill for damages beyond the coverage I paid for.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 05:56 PM
Status: "Goodbye fall ... hello winter" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Manitou Springs
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Thanks Bob, but I wasn't asking for your pity, nor was I being a cry baby.

And yes, I've voted ever since I could - for whatever difference that makes.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Thanks Bob, but I wasn't asking for your pity, nor was I being a cry baby.
OK, but I knew that.

It's supremely frustrating when people equate a call for fiscal responsibility in the Unemployment Insurance program with a slam on the unemployed. Criticism of the poor way the program is funded/managed by governments isn't the same thing as criticism of the unemployed.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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First a snotty commie.. now I'm a crybaby!

"" There, I left some little sob icons for you to help you feel sorry for yourself. Nobody here is saying that living on the dole is supposed to be fun. ""

Pleaes explain how this is criticism of the way the program is managed and NOT criticism of the unemployed?

You are either incredibly insensitive or really out of touch with the reality of whats happening around you. Either way, pretty shocking.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Originally Posted by Juliemac View Post
First a snotty commie.. now I'm a crybaby!

"" There, I left some little sob icons for you to help you feel sorry for yourself. Nobody here is saying that living on the dole is supposed to be fun. ""

Pleaes explain how this is criticism of the way the program is managed and NOT criticism of the unemployed?
I'm always happy to help the comprehension-challenged.

That was some counter-snark applied after having yet another person bring a sarcastic woe-is-us accounting of the plight of the unemployed into the discussion. All this started when I pointed out that the program is not funded only by those that pay into it. In fact right now payments into the system by employers is less than 20% of benefits being paid out, with future taxpayers (our kids) set up to pay the lion's share of that price tag.

I didn't suggest that those "unemployed folks have all the luck" etc. I'm sorry if an equal-but-opposite dose of sarcasm doesn't sit well with you. OK, well not really.

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Originally Posted by Juliemac View Post
You are either incredibly insensitive or really out of touch with the reality of whats happening around you. Either way, pretty shocking.
I am incredibly insensitive.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mtngigi View Post
Thank you Juliemac.

I'm one of the lucky ones. Whoopee - it's fun living this way, wouldn't trade it for the world. I like being on the verge of losing my home. It's great fun deciding if I want to get that prescription or put gas in the car. Yep, it's a barrel of laughs getting laid off in your old age, right before the economy tanked.

No one, absolutely no one, is ever going to make me feel guilty for collecting a little unemployment. I've paid into the system since I was 14 years old. My taxes have paid for other peoples's kids to go to school even though I never had any. My taxes have been wasted and squandered on all kinds of ridiculous follies I have no say over. My taxes have gone to helping people in other parts of the world while me and my fellow Americans are falling by the wayside, left and right. Everyone can complain about how they're money is spent, but the bottom line is we all pay for everything, whether we ever use everything or not.
^^^^^This is what unemployement is for OP.

Not for people who decide to quit a job in one state to move to another.

I really can't believe someone would even ask what the OP asked. Common sense should tell you if that were possible then the system would crash with people quitting jobs and moving, and collecting benefits while the look for jobs in their new state.

If the OP wants to move without a job lined up, save your money,and have several months worth of living expenses.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Originally Posted by saskew330 View Post
Even though I will be looking for a job when I get there and I do have a small savings, can I receive unemployment benefits until I find a job?
Can you come from out of state and relocate to ours and just start receiving unemployment benefits?

I sure hope not.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by McGowdog View Post
Can you come from out of state and relocate to ours and just start receiving unemployment benefits?

I sure hope not.

Thank you 'dog, that's a perfect finish to this discussion.
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