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Old 03-19-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Powers/Dublin
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All good points. If the goal is to attract tourists or "out of state visitors" then I guess those are good projects, but we live in this city. How about attracking the people that live here? I would prefer not to forget about these other areas - like the World Arena and Sky Sox. Are those other projects (children's museum and science museum) going to be forgotten?

Wasn't the Stadium and Event Center once thought to be the replacement venue for Sky Sox?

Are people coming from out of town going to fly into our airport or Denver's? I know they are working on improving things there but that has got to be a big part of this plan. These visitors need to fly in and out of Colorado Springs airport.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:09 PM
 
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IIRC early on the downtown stadium was said to be a venue for the Skysox but the team told them in no uncertain terms they didn't want it.

Meanwhile I've seen nothing out of the proponents to seek a minor league football team to play in a downtown facility - IMO that would be really fun, but not a peep out of the perps running this deal.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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What needs to happen for Colorado Springs for sure is that we need to have the city center revitalized, and grown- that's the main push. Colorado Springs is like a donut- a very small city core for a city of our size that not many businesses go to- they all go to the outskirts! I have students who never go downtown- not because of the fear of gangs/drugs/whatever, but because they have no need to go downtown. If a city wants to grow, it needs to get its core growing- businesses downtown, etc, instead of on the outskirts of the town. I've often felt that we should take some of the places in the north part of the springs and just make it its own city. It's so far away, might as well.

I'm curious though, sometimes- where do the people live who are the most against it? I wonder if it is primarily people who live on the outskirts of town.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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What needs to happen for Colorado Springs for sure is that we need to have the city center revitalized, and grown- that's the main push. Colorado Springs is like a donut- a very small city core for a city of our size that not many businesses go to- they all go to the outskirts! I have students who never go downtown- not because of the fear of gangs/drugs/whatever, but because they have no need to go downtown. If a city wants to grow, it needs to get its core growing- businesses downtown, etc, instead of on the outskirts of the town. I've often felt that we should take some of the places in the north part of the springs and just make it its own city. It's so far away, might as well.

I'm curious though, sometimes- where do the people live who are the most against it? I wonder if it is primarily people who live on the outskirts of town.
I agree. The only drawback to the project is that the Sky Sox are not going to move.
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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The drawback to the project is the millions of dollars it will cost in excess of the absurdly conservative projections made by the proponents. Do a little research: The discrepancy between metrics and financial projections produced by the CFC collaborative and those produced by an independent state hired analyst are concerning.

I hope, whether for or against, people in this town start doing their research (difficult with Gazette as a gatekeeper in this instance, I realize) and using their votes.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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What needs to happen for Colorado Springs for sure is that we need to have the city center revitalized, and grown- that's the main push. Colorado Springs is like a donut- a very small city core for a city of our size that not many businesses go to-
How about closing Tejon (downtown) for a ped mall? When I moved back to the Springs a few years ago, I could just see Tejon, with people enjoying the sidewalks and cafes without traffic and noise and gas fumes............similar to the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, or the 16th Street Mall in Denver and other cities.......the malls are very cool. What happened to the downtown shuttle in Colorado Springs? Well, sweet dreams.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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How about closing Tejon (downtown) for a ped mall? When I moved back to the Springs a few years ago, I could just see Tejon, with people enjoying the sidewalks and cafes without traffic and noise and gas fumes............similar to the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, or the 16th Street Mall in Denver and other cities.......the malls are very cool. What happened to the downtown shuttle in Colorado Springs? Well, sweet dreams.
I agree. I have thought of that often, especially after visiting Boulder. And it would be so easy to do, and relatively inexpensive.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Powers/Dublin
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I agree. The only drawback to the project is that the Sky Sox are not going to move.
I do not want to see Sky Sox move downtown. I prefer that it's in the neighborhood. The outskirts of downtown need the growth too. So I don't think it's a bad thing, it's just that downtown hasn't kept up. Are they doing the right things to help it grow, I don't know?
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I do not want to see Sky Sox move downtown. I prefer that it's in the neighborhood. The outskirts of downtown need the growth too. So I don't think it's a bad thing, it's just that downtown hasn't kept up. Are they doing the right things to help it grow, I don't know?
Having the large facilities like the Sky Sox stadium and the world arena on the out skirts of town and spread out is very bad for a town. The reason is synergy. Having them all in one area creates a synergy as events are held more often in one area and that causes people to go there more which causes more restaurants and stores to open and that causes more people and companies to move there etc. Just look at downtown Denver. If you have them separated then the synergy is not there so some restaurants will open but they only have the one draw instead of multiple. That is why in the case of Pueblo you see a lot going on in downtown with the Riverwalk/ convention center/ ice arena/ art center/ baseball stadium etc. as it created a synergy that is causing more people to go to downtown then if it had been built all over the metro area. Then if you have a strong urban center people will move to the other parts of town helping those areas as well. Why its always important for a city and county to make sure its urban center is thriving and keeping certain things located there like a baseball stadium.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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