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Old 08-11-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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"Three simple rules to join the middle class: finish high school, get a full-time job, don't get married or have kids before 21. Only 2% of Americans who meet these specifications are in poverty, regardless of their race, religion, or gender. ...
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Bill, that's a good statistic. Here's the original source of it, the Brookings Institute.

I surely agree that teen pregnancy is a near-certain path to poverty; kids having kids. When I used to hangout in downtown COLO SPGS near City Hall, there was a 7-11 about two blocks south where I'd go for a soda pop. Always a lot of homeless dudes hanging around there, but almost totally males, very few females. It's easy for me to relate teen pregnancy to poverty but hard to relate teen pregnancy to homelessness when the vast majority of the homeless and panhandlers that I saw were males.

If I were king of this place, I'd pound several messages into the minds of teens (regardless of what parents or 'religious leaders' want them to know). We must equip the younger generations for success:
- sex education
- birth control education
- birth control products available and covered by health insurance
- what are parental responsibilities and realities
- cost of raising a child
- impacts of not having a HS diploma
- money management and how to run a checkbook
- life planning to include a plan for retirement, even if only a teen

I'm tired of seeing kids graduate with more knowledge of cartoon superheroes than how Wall Street works.
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:26 PM
 
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No one should be homeless because of medical debt and yes it happens. Hospitals should not be run like a business other first world countries have it figured out hopefully the US will to in time. Ultimately I think in this thread we have determined that for the majority of homeless it is due to factors outside there control and continuing to penalize them by preventing them from making a living wage or healthcare for all is in my opnion the path of the USA becoming more like a third world country. Having a large underclass also leads to more instability and I think it would be prudent to nip this problem in the bud and create a America that benefits all Americans not just the wealthy.
I don't think you and I could be farther apart on philosophies. Seriously, I think it would be easier for you to change countries than to single handedly change this country.
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I don't think you and I could be farther apart on philosophies. Seriously, I think it would be easier for you to change countries than to single handedly change this country.
Nah I have a life here I'm not going anywhere. Don't worry though the right wing controls the media and the government I don't think you have much to worry about in the short term.
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Bill, that's a good statistic. Here's the original source of it, the Brookings Institute.

I surely agree that teen pregnancy is a near-certain path to poverty; kids having kids. When I used to hangout in downtown COLO SPGS near City Hall, there was a 7-11 about two blocks south where I'd go for a ...
I liked the way it was summed up in the link I provided, the original source was linked on that page.

Could it be that the males you encountered were the offspring of those poverty families? I agree, we could be teaching our youth so many more applicable life skills. Critical thinking, self reliance, and learning from the mistakes of others, all played a large role in how we raised our children. Fortunately, they are doing well enough that I am now learning things from them. They are not "victims" of society, and they work hard to earn what they get in life.

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Old 08-11-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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Nah I have a life here I'm not going anywhere.
You are part of the problem! Demand the world change for you, and demand others pay for it!

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the right wing controls the media
What???
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You are part of the problem! Demand the world change for you, and demand others pay for it!
I've given you excellent reasons as to why paying for it would be in your interests you clearly have no problem with the government spending trillions on foreign wars. As for the media comment the media is beholden to wealthy interests and as such will push right wing narratives pro war pro wealthy don't talk about poor people except to mock them etc. We are getting off topic though I understand why you don't want these programs. You see poverty as a moral failing and think most of the poor are lazy and deserve to suffer.
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Old 08-11-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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I've given you excellent reasons as to why paying for it would be in your interests
Obviously you haven't.

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you clearly have no problem with the government spending trillions on foreign wars.
Different argument, and you are making assumptions about me when you know very little. The same way that you assume everyone is a victim, and they are powerless to help themselves. Why do you believe that everyone else needs your help? Could it be that you need help?
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Old 08-11-2018, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Obviously you haven't.
Well hopefully others who read through this thread will think differently. Anyways I've said all I need to say and I wish you the best.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:39 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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This is long but here goes:

Well, since Mike and Sonic Spark shared their stories, I’ll share a little of mine. About 15 years ago, I came down with a mysterious illness. It started with a bunch of vague symptoms like headaches, tachycardia , and blurred vision. I went to the doctor who could find nothing wrong and told me that it was just “nerves.”

Maybe it was nerves. At the time I had a very demanding job as the director of the library at Denver Botanic Gardens. I was living in the Springs and commuting back and forth to Denver every single day. Even back then that commute just sucked with drivers forming crazed wolf backs and doing 80mph bumper to bumper. A driver who tried to obey the speed limits and maintain a safe driving distance often became the object of someone’s road rage, so I gritted my teeth and drove with the wolves, white knuckling it the entire way.

Between that horrid commute and long hours at work, I didn’t have much time to live an actual life and the stress was just awful. I decided to resign from my job and look for work in the Springs. I was confident I could find a job back in the Springs since I had a good resume and plenty of experience. Plus, I had my savings and was eligible for temporary health care thru COBRA. No big deal, really.

The thing was that after I quit my job, I got sicker. The headaches got worse, and they began to happen closer and closer together. At night my heart would pound so much that I thought I was having a panic attack. I was often nauseated and I seemed to have no energy. I couldn’t seem to focus properly or concentrate, and I began making the rounds of doctors in earnest.

When my COBRA ran out, I had to pay my medical bills out of pocket. I was sick as a dog and couldn’t work, so I began to run through my savings to pay my rent and buy food. Things were getting desperate. A friend of mind fell into the habit of dropping by to check on me, and one day she announced that she thought she smelled gas in my house, and told me I should call up public utilities. I brushed her off, but she kept nagging at me until I finally called just to shut her up.

It was December and snowing out the afternoon, I called. The utility guy eventually located my address and came in to check the air in my house. His carbon monoxide detector literally began to shriek, and he had me get out of the house and stand in the snow while he flung open all the windows and shut down my furnace. I had both a natural gas leak (the source of the odor), and the ancient furnace was burning improperly and had been emitting high amounts of (odorless) carbon monoxide for a long time – months. I had a CO detector but unknown to me, it didn’t work correctly.

The utility technician told me that I should be dead. With a reading of 400ppm CO in my air, I certainly would have died that night or the next. Well, obviously, I didn’t die, but I sustained anoxic brain damage from lack of oxygen. I recovered to a certain amount, but much of the damage is permanent. I have the short-term memory of a butterfly and my executive function is a joke because I can’t sustain the concentration to complete even the simplest of tasks.

I was referred to a very expensive specialist and again I paid for doctor visits and prescriptions out of pocket. Eventually I ran through my savings, and I couldn’t hold down the simplest of jobs because I was so slow in completing tasks – that executive function thing again. Still I considered going on SSDI a personal defeat. I’d worked from age 16 on; worked to help cover my college expenses and got a scholarship to cover tuition. The last thing I wanted to do was to be forced to live off the government dole. So I kept trying to work and I kept getting fired. Finally my same friend came over and dragged me down to the social security offices on Academy and helped me apply for SSDI.

It was a long process for me thanks to my cognition difficulties and in the middle of it all, I got evicted because I could no longer pay my rent. I was suddenly homeless and completely terrified. I knew that as a single woman and with a brain injury at that, I’d be mincemeat on Colorado Springs mean streets. I had a beat up old Ford Explorer with my camping gear stashed in back, some clothing and my beloved orange cat. A friend loaned me $200 bucks for gas and me and kitty (aptly named “Traveler”) literally headed for the hills – or mountains in this case.

I drove west as fast as I could and ran out of gas about 30 miles north of Telluride. Thank God it was summer. I found myself a very secluded campsite on BLM land and pitched my tent next to the San Miguel River. My new home was beautiful and vast. It was also often scary at night, but eventually I settled in and learned to recognize which noises in the dark were nothing and which I should be alert for. Traveler was a great help. He took to camping like he’d been doing it all of his 9 lives, and I would watch him for his responses, figuring his 6th sense of things would get us both through any difficulty.

I kept clean with an icy dip into the San Miguel every morning. I was maybe 20 miles as the crow flies from the town of Norwood and when I had the money for gas, I went into town to the Laundromat and to use the computer at Norwood’s tiny public library. Once a month the local church gave out boxes of food. I made friends with the librarian and the editor of the local paper who generously paid me to write up my story which he put on the front page!

I also contrived to run a small business selling flowers on Friday and Saturday nights at Telluride’s bars and restaurants. This gave me a little money in my pocket for gas and the washer/driers at the Norwood Laundromat. I might be camped on the San Miguel to this very day except for this little thing called winter in the Colorado Mountains which scared me almost as much as being homeless in Colorado Springs.

Traveler and I were very lucky thanks in large part to the kindness of the people who lived in Norwood and the tiny town of Nucla just down the road. I put in applications for help all summer and finally toward the end of October – it was starting to get pretty cold already – I was awarded a rural development apartment in an affordable housing 10-plex in Nucla. My next door neighbors found me a couch which looked brand new; the librarian gave me a very comfy bed and the young man on the other side of me was a hunter who dropped by with some delicious elk steaks for me and Traveler to eat.

It had been a long and very difficult journey. So many times I just wanted to quit – to lay down one night and never wake up. But I couldn’t abandon Traveler to his fate in the forest, so I hung on. That December I had my SSDI hearing before an administrative judge in Grand Junction. He ruled in my favor, and I went up to Telluride to celebrate with lunch and a scenic free ride on the gondola. I checked out the Telluride free box and discovered that someone had dropped off about 50 barely played with stuffed animals. I scooped them all up and put them in the back of my Explorer and drove back to the little church in Norwood that gave out the food boxes. I donated my treasure trove of stuffed animals to the little kids who came with their families to get their December food boxes.

It was one of the best Christmases I’ve ever had, and I finally felt like a human being again - a member of a community with a roof over my head and the chance to pay it forward with some stranger's discarded stuffed animal collection which delighted those little kids no end.

I feel that the majority of homeless people are no different than I was - just down on their luck, maybe unable to work due to some medical condition and longing to be a actual member of the human race again.
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Old 08-12-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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- Raise minimum wage to about $12.00/hour, indexed by locality, indexed for inflation. At this level a person can squeeze by on @2000 hours/year and should be sufficient inducement for many of the ABH to work.

- Medicare for all. IMO it will be a net saver of money, and pay for the non-workers, when we take the 25% overhead out of the insurance market. The ABH are using the ERs and we end up paying that in our health insurance rates or taxes. My sister used to drive all the way across Baltimore for a job that paid $10/hour but included medical coverage. If the burger joint up the street paid that, plus medical, she would've worked there but right now it's a vow of poverty to work minimum wage jobs that have no benefits.

- I think it was in post #5 of this thread that I opined to bring back Work Farms. This is how I'd like to see the ABH to earn their keep, be it litter lifters, farm workers, or whatever. There'd be requirements for earning GEDs or learning some trades.

- Stop giving handouts to panhandlers on corners. Only time I ever did that was when I gave a half-used Burger King gift card to some dude at N. Academy and Voyager Pkwy, by the Valero gas station. Only time. Ever.

- Outlaw living a homeless lifestyle in urban/suburban areas. Go to the work farm, get a job, or join the Cool Hand Luke detention center.

- Got to be nationwide, can't piecemeal this, can't give bus tickets to the homeless to go "there."
Agree with a lot of this.

BTW, CO minimum wage is scheduled to reach $12 by 2020 due to Amendment 70 effective Jan 2017. It has/is increasing $.90 annual until it reaches $12.
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