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Old 09-06-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I believe most employers won't willingly pay a fair wage until employees can negotiate with an equal amount of power. The only way to achieve that is through unionization.
How about making yourself so educated and proficient in your field that employers will voluntarily pay you more?

I've worked in union jobs. The slackers earn just as much as the motivated, productive ones do. Unions are a relic of the past.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I believe most employers won't willingly pay a fair wage until employees can negotiate with an equal amount of power. The only way to achieve that is through unionization.
How about making yourself so educated and proficient in your field that employers will voluntarily pay you more?

I've worked in union jobs. The slackers earn just as much as the motivated, productive ones do. Unions are a relic of the past.
My experience has shown me that if it is a relatively simple job with minimal training, yes, employers may not willing pay more than required. More advanced jobs such skilled labor, trade jobs, various management and a fair number of local, regional and national organizations prefer not to pay the bare minimum to their employees. Of course there will also be those businesses in those industries that are so mature that they prefer or are set up for minimalism. There also are a much greater percentage of those who want to attract good talent and pay decent wages.

Unions were a relic of the past that served a purpose for a specific time. We've gotten away from them as work has advanced, but we may be moving towards a time when such organization may be required again. The major players may not be GM, Chrysler, GE, and US Steel, but we do have Amazon, Apple, Target, Kroger, and Walmart who have replaced them and are as big or bigger.
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Old 09-07-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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How about making yourself so educated and proficient in your field that employers will voluntarily pay you more?

I've worked in union jobs. The slackers earn just as much as the motivated, productive ones do. Unions are a relic of the past.
So is a living wage for non and low-skilled employees. The question is what do you do with the 40-50% of the workforce that falls into that category and what housing categories are needed. Tenements? Slums?

Bring back that gilded age, baby.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:32 PM
 
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“Labor is entitled to all it creates” sounds like communism?
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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“Labor is entitled to all it creates” sounds like communism?
Sounds like what used to be the American Dream but now is labeled as Communism so that the rich can keep getting richer on the backs of laborers. It is a big scam these days to try to call everything that is good for the Average Joe as communism - health care, social security, retirement plans, etc.
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Old 09-07-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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Sounds like what used to be the American Dream but now is labeled as Communism so that the rich can keep getting richer on the backs of laborers. It is a big scam these days to try to call everything that is good for the Average Joe as communism - health care, social security, retirement plans, etc.
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Old 09-08-2018, 03:12 PM
 
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The problem is, the job market is a matter of supply and demand. The boss doesn't need you if just about anyone can do your job(like bagging groceries). If one has a more unique skillset that is not easily replaceable, then they have some bargaining power.
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Old 09-08-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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Sounds like what used to be the American Dream but now is labeled as Communism so that the rich can keep getting richer on the backs of laborers. It is a big scam these days to try to call everything that is good for the Average Joe as communism - health care, social security, retirement plans, etc.
Medicare and social security are socialist instruments so labeling them communist is accurate. Not saying they are bad.

You won’t find a better system than the capitalism we enjoy here.
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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The high cost of housing is a major reason that I haven't returned to the Springs. I don't think a day goes by when I don't marvel at what a wonderful deal I'm getting here in Cortez. My landlady only charges $400.00/month for a 2 bedroom house located on a beautiful farm south of town because "people have to live." Wow - thank you, Miz G.!
The high cost of housing is a major reason that I haven't returned to Santa Monica, where I had the good/bad fortune of growing up in the 1970's, back when it was "normal" like the Springs is now. I don'[t think a day goes by when I don't marvel at what a wonderful deal I'm getting here in Colorado Springs.


Everything is a matter of perspective. We're all subject to forces beyond our control, which range from global to local. We all have to make choices and do the absolute best we can with our lives and what we value.


It's very normal and healthy to leave one's home and hometown to seek a better situation. Glad you have a better situation in Cortez. Glad I have a better situation in Colorado Springs. Each to their own.
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