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Old Yesterday, 12:14 PM
 
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Homeless people have just as much right to use the internet terminals and other public resources at the libraries as those of us fortunate to have a place of our own to sleep at night. Indeed, we provide these resources just so that people who don't have the ability to get their own computer, etc still have access to the tools they need to educate and raise themselves up in the world.

I moved here from New England and thought there were even more vagrants/panhandlers in Boston than in Colorado Springs, in spite of the winter climate being a lot nastier there. Yes, it's a nuisance when they are camped out in doorways, etc. Sometimes they smell bad due to not having anywhere to bathe or wash their clothes. But they generally aren't a threat to the rest of the population, and IMO it shows a startling lack of sensitivity to resent them for sponging off public resources in the library, or suggest that they are so disgusting they need to be kept segregated in their own neighborhood where they won't mix with "decent" people.

I don't know what the solution to homelessness is, but treating the homeless population as people to be feared or as pariahs from society, rather than people who need our help to return to functioning in society, is surely a step in the wrong direction.

 
Old Yesterday, 01:20 PM
 
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I don't think the vagrants we are specifically talking about have much interest, motivation or perhaps ability to "return" to society. I would love to know their individual stories to understand how they ended up in such a helpless state.
 
Old Yesterday, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Homeless people have just as much right to use the internet terminals and other public resources at the libraries as those of us fortunate to have a place of our own to sleep at night. Indeed, we provide these resources just so that people who don't have the ability to get their own computer, etc still have access to the tools they need to educate and raise themselves up in the world.

I moved here from New England and thought there were even more vagrants/panhandlers in Boston than in Colorado Springs, in spite of the winter climate being a lot nastier there. Yes, it's a nuisance when they are camped out in doorways, etc. Sometimes they smell bad due to not having anywhere to bathe or wash their clothes. But they generally aren't a threat to the rest of the population, and IMO it shows a startling lack of sensitivity to resent them for sponging off public resources in the library, or suggest that they are so disgusting they need to be kept segregated in their own neighborhood where they won't mix with "decent" people.

I don't know what the solution to homelessness is, but treating the homeless population as people to be feared or as pariahs from society, rather than people who need our help to return to functioning in society, is surely a step in the wrong direction.
First of all, the main gist of this thread is that the library should be used in the way that libraries are intended to be used. Not for camping.

Second, so you think the homeless people taking up space at the computer stations are educating and raising themselves up?

Third, they make themselves the pariahs.

I suggest you take a few into your own home.
 
Old Yesterday, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I don't think the vagrants we are specifically talking about have much interest, motivation or perhaps ability to "return" to society.
Thats pretty elitist. I think alot of people want a normal life they are just denied it due to the changing economy.
 
Old Yesterday, 01:40 PM
 
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I havenít camped out at a library since college.
 
Old Yesterday, 02:04 PM
 
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Thats pretty elitist. I think alot of people want a normal life they are just denied it due to the changing economy.
Yeah. It doesn't take much for a working person to suddenly become homeless; being laid off, unable to find a new job, getting evicted for failing to pay rent, your car gets repossessed. If you're from a small town where everybody is struggling you might reasonably think you have a better chance of finding work in a city and want to try your luck there, even if you have nowhere to stay. Maybe you run out of money when you're in transit to somewhere else. Etc.

Of course many homeless people also have mental health and/or substance abuse problems. We're failing those populations too.
 
Old Yesterday, 02:04 PM
 
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Thats pretty elitist. I think alot of people want a normal life they are just denied it due to the changing economy.
I couldn't disagree with you more!
 
Old Yesterday, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I couldn't disagree with you more!
Let me ask you something would you rather live on the streets and get free food or would you rather have the standard middle class life? Personally I would rather work and and have nice things than have a free soup.
 
Old Yesterday, 02:25 PM
 
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Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the more aid provided, the more needy people show up? Why is feeding people alright, but feeding wildlife is bad because the animals become dependant?
 
Old Yesterday, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the more aid provided, the more needy people show up? Why is feeding people alright, but feeding wildlife is bad because the animals become dependant?
Lord have mercy why is helping the destitute bad?
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