Home Invasions (crimes, law, legally)

[Gunluvver2]

Nope TreeDonkey. I just think that the idea that the only people who can be trusted with weapons are police or military is a VERY DANGEROUS way of thinking.

I think we can both agree that ALL gun owners should have proper training in safe handling. The NRA and other citizen organizations train a lot more gun owners in safe techniques than all the Police agencies in the country combined.

GL2

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by Gunluvver2

Nope TreeDonkey. I just think that the idea that the only people who can be trusted with weapons are police or military is a VERY DANGEROUS way of thinking.

I think we can both agree that ALL gun owners should have proper training in safe handling. The NRA and other citizen organizations train a lot more gun owners in safe techniques than all the Police agencies in the country combined.

GL2

I'll concede to that, but that's not my way of thinking... LEO's was just ONE example of people who MAY be adequately trained to handle a gun, although I'm sure that's not always true. There are other examples... Like, I guess an olympic skeet shooter or whatever that sport was that a previous poster was alluding to. Oh, and apparenty big bad Ryan with his trophy wall of sharpshooter prizes (yippee for him... I wonder if he is as impressed by my marathon medals?)
BUT..
Joe Blow who's watched too many action movies and goes down to the the gun shop to pick up a 45 in order to ward off bad guys is probably just gonna hit a wall, if not his wife or kid before he hits the bad guy when under attack, even if he IS a member of NRA.

But, apparently everyone on THIS board is of that small minority of elite shooters so well trained that they can fire in the dark, through walls, and stop fleeing bad guys dead in their tracks. So I guess I stand corrected for casting aspersions on your ability to find peace and security through firearms.

[Gunluvver2]

Have you ever been to any organized shooting events TreeDonkey? I used to participate in events all over the country before my health deteriorated. In the hundreds of events I attended over the years I never saw anyone at those events exhibit the attitude you described. In fact the only place I have seen examples of that type of behavior are various TV shows and Movies with Hollywood actors. Oh one other place. . . inmates at the prison where I worked sometimes had similar attitudes to what you described.

GL2

[TheBeach]

I know people who love to shoot guns and others who won't touch them. Then there are those who appear anti-gun, but after you let them shoot yours a few times, they are less afraid, and sometimes even get into it. But some people are never going to be any good with a weapon in a high stress situation. Those folks probably are not going to be very effective using a gun for self defense. I am less worried about them hitting a wall, and more concerned about them remembering to take off the safety, clearing jambs, racking the slide, choosing ammo, cleaning and maintaining the gun so it fires when you need it to, and being mentally ready to take a human life. It's not easy and not everyone can do it.

Others have trained for the day when they need their gun. They take pride in taking care of their gun, learning all the rules to safely use that gun, when to use it, have put a lot of thought into when you can take a life, and will commit if the need arises.

In many cases, these "Gun Owners" have had more training, practiced more often, shot more rounds, and taken more classes than your typical LEO.

But I do suggest having an alarm system just so you have a tiny bit more time to prepare a lead-based meal for your uninvited visitor

[Grishem]

Originally Posted by ryanek9freak

I have an 870 supermag express myself Mcgowdog. I have the full Tapco riot/pistol grip conversion on mine as well. On top of the sound, it looks mean as hell.

Anyone who comes through my door will be met with 3 1/2 inch turkey mags. They won't make it out alive.

Truthfully though, i've been wanting a Saiga 12. It's a semi automatic 12 gauge that looks like an Ak-47. Has a 10 round magazine. One mean looking gun. And it fires as fast as you can pull the trigger.

I'd love to meet someone in my living room with one of these.

Remember, it's a 12 Gauge!~

I'd hate to be the guy who had to clean up after that breakin. That gun is just what Santa promised to good boys and girls.

[Gunluvver2]

Yes THE BEACH you are right. Having a good alarm system, a dog,and other options are great ideas. A gun is the LAST resort in a situation.

GL2

[McGowdog]

I've got all the guns I need right here... as the Dawg blows the smoke off his massive biceps...

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by TheBeach

But some people are never going to be any good with a weapon in a high stress situation. Those folks probably are not going to be very effective using a gun for self defense.

I certainly do agree with that, only I would argue that it's 'most' or 'almost all' people, rather than just 'some'. Of all you folks on here that claim they could easily take out a bad guy with a firearm, how many have actually ever had a chance to? How'd it go?

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by Gunluvver2

Have you ever been to any organized shooting events TreeDonkey? I used to participate in events all over the country before my health deteriorated. In the hundreds of events I attended over the years I never saw anyone at those events exhibit the attitude you described. In fact the only place I have seen examples of that type of behavior are various TV shows and Movies with Hollywood actors. Oh one other place. . . inmates at the prison where I worked sometimes had similar attitudes to what you described.

GL2

No, I haven't been to any shooting events -- organized or otherwise. What exactly is that attitude you think i described?

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by treedonkey

No, I haven't been to any shooting events -- organized or otherwise. What exactly is that attitude you think i described?

That only police should have guns. Criminals HATE the thought of their potential victims being armed. They are cowards and want easy prey. Knowing that if they attack someone or break into someone's home that they may be shot does not comfort them. Its a huge deterrent.

Go to a range or IDPA match and see these "crazed, gun nuts". You'll find the same cross section of society that you see at the golf course. Golf's still OK, right? Or do you want to limit the number of sets of golf clubs I have?