Mixed couples with biracial children in CO Springs? (Denver, Colorado Springs: 2009, crime)

[toxicavenger]

I don't know what races are all around me because all I see is my fellow americans.

[carolinajack]

Originally Posted by treedonkey

Good. So-called 'reverse' racial hatred/violence is not limited to inner cities though... Here are some places I've lived where I was truly physically threatened and/or assaulted at times, due to my skin color ("white"): Northern Virginia (mixed-class suburban area outside of DC); Long Beach, CA (urban area, but I was in the 'college district' and it still happened more than once); Honolulu, Hawaii (yes, an urban area, but not exactly your typical 'hood' - Hawaii is actually one of the worst places for racism against 'whites', in my experience)

BTW: I don't like that term, 'reverse' racism since it implies that racism is otherwise limited to being perpetrated by 'whites' against 'minorities', especially those of 'color'. In fact, I believe those are all bad terms, I only used them for lack of better ones. Racism and prejudice exists everywhere, even between neighbors of different financial status or sports rivals. But one cannot fight ignorance with avoidance.

and racism isnt limited to the suburbs and countryside-rural areas, i find it as much in the big cities back east as i do in the rural areas of the south

[carolinajack]

Captain= i know wh at you mean though, as an interracial couple(me black, wife white and an adopted chinese daughter) we will stick out as different. but different is not always bad and people are always talking about diversity, so we should welcome diversity--people of different races adn backgrounds, but also different views than our own. we cant keep ghettoizing ourselves and then telling the world they should change. you must get out there and be proud of your family and find people who accept you, try to win over the skeptics and disregard the hateful--but you also have to be vigilant.

always "trust but verify" Ronald Reagan

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by reginhild

I disagree. I find that the suburbs in Colorado Springs have large amounts of military retirees as well as mixed-race couples. I personally know black/white, phillipino/white, and korean/white couples in the Briargate area who enjoy living here very much (also know mixed culture couples in the area American/German and North American/South American). I have not seen that 'race matters' in the suburbs or Colorado Springs. The only disadvantage would be a slightly higher white population if that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I'm with reginhild here 100%. I've had many more problems 'in town' (not in COS specifically, though, I must say) than I ever have in rural or suburban areas here or elsewhere. All are correct when they say that there will be fewer minorities outside of town than in the city. Thus, as reg aptly points out, if a predominantly white population makes you uncomfortable, then don't move there. I personally think that's a lousy reason to choose where to move or not, but that's just me. At any rate, I shudder to think of the backlash I'd get by coming on here and asking where the black hoods are, so that I could make sure not to move there, in order to protect my children. But, we've beaten that issue to death so I'll just drop it now.

And a PS to urbanist re: our earlier exchange: I by no means would refute those statistics you mentioned, but I was referring to motivation and attitude... something no statistic could accurately portray. To assume that people in predominantly white areas moved there because they are less tolerant of ethnicity is totally presumptive and highly judgmental, which is exactly what you have accused that demographic of.

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

...different is not always bad and people are always talking about diversity, so we should welcome diversity--people of different races and backgrounds, but also different views than our own. we cant keep ghettoizing ourselves and then telling the world they should change. you must get out there and be proud of your family and find people who accept you, try to win over the skeptics and disregard the hateful..

Very well said. Be proud of your heritage and the boldness it took to marry inter-racially in the first place. Far more people will respect you for that than will despise you.

[love colo summers]

Originally Posted by CS-Urbanist

You are going to find people are tolerant for the most part around town. There are few out there who are frightened by anyone who looks different from them... A general rule that can be applied to just about any city over 50,000 people is the closer that you are to a downtown or central business district, the less that race matters, the further you move out from the center of town you get closer to a large amount of the population who moved out there for their own "utopia" where people are very much the same, therefore anyone of any other race does not feel accepted.

To sum up, move closer to downtown. You owe it to yourself.

To sum up what Ubanist has said in the majority of his posts: Move into his neighborhood, Spring Creek, near downtown. You owe it to him . . . er, I mean yourself.

The comment that Colorado Springs suburbs are full of people (Caucasians) seeking a racial utopia is ridiculous. I can't speak for all parts of town, but I live in one of our suburbs (Falcon) where there appears to be a pretty good ethnic mix considering the overall CS demographics.

Colorado is predominantly white, but as others have said I think in general it’s an open, accepting people. As with any location, you’ll probably still run into a few bad apples.

[CS-Urbanist]

Actually what I am saying is don't move to the suburbs. It is a terrible investment, especially if you buy new out there.

Think about when people are most unhappy during the day and find the most wasteful in respect to time. The predominant answer is driving. When you talk about 30-45 minute commutes in and out of town, that's up to 90 minutes of wasted time during a day. So what I am saying is don't buy the "suburban American dream" or buy new, period.

My recommendation for everyone first is to buy downtown or near conveniances that you at least have the option to walk to... If you must buy new, buy close to downtown and conveniances (like Spring Creek).

[treedonkey]

Originally Posted by CS-Urbanist

Actually what I am saying is don't move to the suburbs. It is a terrible investment, especially if you buy new out there.

Think about when people are most unhappy during the day and find the most wasteful in respect to time. The predominant answer is driving. When you talk about 30-45 minute commutes in and out of town, that's up to 90 minutes of wasted time during a day. So what I am saying is don't buy the "suburban American dream" or buy new, period.

My recommendation for everyone first is to buy downtown or near conveniances that you at least have the option to walk to... If you must buy new, buy close to downtown and conveniances (like Spring Creek).

Okay, now you're talking about commute time, which is entirely different from biracial family matters, and I totally agree with your point there. I don't see how a big 'ol dream house in ANY neighborhood could ever make up for those many hours lost per month fighting traffic. So, if the issue is that the OP is working in downtown springs, then by all means he should probably move as close to downtown springs as possible.

As for buying new, that's totally a matter of personal preference.

[carolinajack]

nah not in downtown, i live in downtown Philadelphia, and having lived in rural, suburban and downtown areas i could never live downtown again. it maybe good if you have the money to buy a home, to go out all the time, but if you dont, its very confining. also most of the public schools are abysmal downtown, the crime is awful, the values are not all that great to raise kids in.


if you are single, into the nightlife maybe, but it is not the greenest, nicest,safest or most affordable place to live.

in downtown austin prepare to pay $325K for an old home, as oppose to $132K only 25 minutes away in Round Rock a suburb.
same in phiily-a condo one bdroom for $465K as oppose to $250k home in the inner ring suburb

[love colo summers]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

nah not in downtown . . . it maybe good if you have the money to buy a home, to go out all the time, but if you dont, its very confining. also most of the public schools are abysmal downtown, the crime is awful, the values are not all that great to raise kids in.

Bingo . . . same goes for Colorado Springs. Downtown Colorado Springs is a nice place to visit (or work), but I wouldn't choose to live in or near there in its current condition.

Pull up the Colorado Springs crime maps (http://www.springsgov.com/Page.asp?NavID=3358), and you'll see that the majority of our crime tends to be around the downtown area and south/southeast of downtown. The area where Spring Creek is (Fountain & Circle), is right in the heart of our high crime areas. Look at our suburbs (east of Powers and north of Woodmen) and it's the opposite story.

Originally Posted by CS-Urbanist

Actually what I am saying is don't move to the suburbs. It is a terrible investment, especially if you buy new out there.

Originally Posted by CS-Urbanist

Think about when people are most unhappy during the day and find the most wasteful in respect to time. The predominant answer is driving. When you talk about 30-45 minute commutes in and out of town, that's up to 90 minutes of wasted time during a day. So what I am saying is don't buy the "suburban American dream" or buy new, period.

My recommendation for everyone first is to buy downtown or near conveniances that you at least have the option to walk to... If you must buy new, buy close to downtown and conveniances (like Spring Creek).

I'll take the extra drive to live in a safe, quiet neighborhood. I enjoy driving and I use that time to listen to music, and "fighting traffic" is not how I would describe Colorado Springs roads. Plus, it's not like our suburbs have no amenities; you act like everybody needs to be downtown for something. I might go downtown once per month.

And as for home investment, I think most people would agree that crime and schools are two of the highest weighted factors in their home buying decision. You can’t possibly think Spring Creek shines in either of those categories.