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Unread 07-09-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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If you cared to read, accoring to CO divorce law (not that I support it) the spouse with the lower income is "entitled" to alimony. Matters not if you are sporting a vagina or a penis. If a couple accepts an arrangement where one earn much more than the other, they must also accept an arrangement where the lower earning spouse will be compensated for "loss of lifestyle income" (I guess).
Of course since women usually earn less than men, this will be seen as the bias against men. Perhaps although this is the law upon filing, when it goes in front of a judge he/she then uses her discretion to continue with the payments. Here is where women are given favoritism.

The OP and his soon to be ex don't seem very educated or aware on the issue. Why does he come here for advice? He must find a good lawyer to protect him. If he misdirects client it's a breach of fiduciary duty -no? The wife didn't file yet... and there is a possibility that she could get less if he moves to another county? Maybe wife doesn't care about the amount of alimony. Too much muddled information - something is amiss.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: My Private Island
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OP, if your situation is realistic, that's jacked up. I don't care what gender you are.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Of course since women usually earn less than men, this will be seen as the bias against men. Perhaps although this is the law upon filing, when it goes in front of a judge he/she then uses her discretion to continue with the payments. Here is where women are given favoritism.

The OP and his soon to be ex don't seem very educated or aware on the issue. Why does he come here for advice? He must find a good lawyer to protect him. If he misdirects client it's a breach of fiduciary duty -no? The wife didn't file yet... and there is a possibility that she could get less if he moves to another county? Maybe wife doesn't care about the amount of alimony. Too much muddled information - something is amiss.
Yeah if she was all up on it and has her ducks in a row like so many have speculated, why hasn't she filed yet?

Surely if she found her "soulmate" in this alleged "coke head boyfriend" she would have filed by now, right?
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Unread 07-09-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: southern california
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if one is looking for justice-- divorce court is the wrong place to find it.
divorce court-- a place where children are sentenced to a fatherless childhood. vindictive parents punish children for what adult parents did to each other.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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if one is looking for justice-- divorce court is the wrong place to find it.
divorce court-- a place where children are sentenced to a fatherless childhood. vindictive parents punish children for what adult parents did to each other.
This is very true.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Then it isn't gender biased.

That is the *temporary* award for the duration of the divorce proceedings. It is only used as a "guideline" for the permanent award. Both of the lawyers I talked to told me straight up that there is not a single jurisdiction in Colorado that treats men and women the same in divorce, in any matter. Alimony is especially biased. Neither lawyer had ever had one of their male clients awarded lifetime alimony, but they both have had many, many male clients who had to pay lifetime. In a marriage of ten years or longer it is very likely, and in one of twenty years or longer, it is automatic that a higher earning man will pay lifetime to his ex-wife if it goes to a judge, unless there is an inequitable property split ordered for some reason. They have both told me to negotiate a settlement if at all possible, because a judge *will* stick me with a lifetime judgment. In the reverse situation the judge *might* order a 3-5 year alimony to a man, but no way will a healthy, educated, employed man *ever* be awarded lifetime alimony regardless of the difference in salaries or the amount of the property split.

There apparently is a huge irony in all of this. According to one of my lawyers, the 40%-50% rule was slammed through the then-Republican run legislature and into law by greasy former governor Bill Owens in 2001 because his sister divorced and he felt she got a raw deal. A few years later, HE divorced, and got royally screwed by the very law he put into place. Of course, HE is a multi-multi-millionaire lobbyist for the financial services industry now, so I'm sure he is OK. I, on the other hand, am very likely to get laid off sometime in the future because the company I work for is sliding slowly down the tubes...
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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divorce court-- a place where children are sentenced to a fatherless childhood.
Only if the father doesn't fight for them, which happens more often than you'd like to think.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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The ruling sounds fair to me. The more you talked the more you ruined your innocence. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring thread now...I thought this was about something.

Yes, that ruling is MORE than fair. I would LOVE to only have to pay $1000 a month.

My point is that the only reason she was given $1000 a month instead of $2000 or more is that she formerly made a lot more money than she does now. The courts look at that when they decide the amount. If I quit my job today, I would be "imputed" income whether I actually made that money or not. It sounds like she was probably "imputed" income because she is in real estate which is bad now and she may have been making tons of money a few years ago. Also, she was probably awarded the house and its equity since she still has a minor at home. If the property division is not 50-50, that is taken into account also.

Oh, and I really don't give a crap if you read this thread...you've had nothing constructive to add.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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if one is looking for justice-- divorce court is the wrong place to find it.
divorce court-- a place where children are sentenced to a fatherless childhood. vindictive parents punish children for what adult parents did to each other.
You hit the nail on the head with the Bold.
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Unread 07-09-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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That is the *temporary* award for the duration of the divorce proceedings. It is only used as a "guideline" for the permanent award. Both of the lawyers I talked to told me straight up that there is not a single jurisdiction in Colorado that treats men and women the same in divorce, in any matter. Alimony is especially biased. Neither lawyer had ever had one of their male clients awarded lifetime alimony, but they both have had many, many male clients who had to pay lifetime. In a marriage of ten years or longer it is very likely, and in one of twenty years or longer, it is automatic that a higher earning man will pay lifetime to his ex-wife if it goes to a judge, unless there is an inequitable property split ordered for some reason. They have both told me to negotiate a settlement if at all possible, because a judge *will* stick me with a lifetime judgment. In the reverse situation the judge *might* order a 3-5 year alimony to a man, but no way will a healthy, educated, employed man *ever* be awarded lifetime alimony regardless of the difference in salaries or the amount of the property split.

There apparently is a huge irony in all of this. According to one of my lawyers, the 40%-50% rule was slammed through the then-Republican run legislature and into law by greasy former governor Bill Owens in 2001 because his sister divorced and he felt she got a raw deal. A few years later, HE divorced, and got royally screwed by the very law he put into place. Of course, HE is a multi-multi-millionaire lobbyist for the financial services industry now, so I'm sure he is OK. I, on the other hand, am very likely to get laid off sometime in the future because the company I work for is sliding slowly down the tubes...

Sounds like CO if full of corrupt judges. Has no man in Colorado challanged the %100 gender biased rulings? Seems like some of these attorneys, having the inside scoop on the stats, would file a lawsuit. Why not get all the guys together and file a class action suit.
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