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Old 06-20-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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I didn't say that at all.

But I'll believe an independent researcher not being paid by the oil company, far more than one being paid by the oil company -- or by an environmental group. Either "side" stacks the deck.
I went to a fairly conservative univ in the south. However, so many professors were so far left it was a joke. None of them had any real world experience, all they did was just spit their personal opinions out. I refuse to donate any money to my alma matter.

There are scientists that do disagree with the climate change predictions, either way nobody will admit that the real problem is population not climate change.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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... Either "side" stacks the deck.
All sides do it. They use lies and fear to make people angry as people are easier to milk for money and votes if fearful / angry.

We've heard the lies for generations: we're all gonna glow in the dark, the food is unsafe to eat, the guvmint wants to take all yer gunz, it'll make (fill in the blank) unaffordable if we do that. Never ends. I ignore them and do my best to use critical thinking skills to sort through all the attack ads, lies and spin. If possible I try to find some good peer reviewed science from valid sources.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:50 PM
 
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pheteroi wrote: I didn't say that at all

But I'll believe an independent researcher not being paid by the oil company, far more than one being paid by the oil company -- or by an environmental group. Either "side" stacks the deck.


Sammy is practicing a behaviour known as projection...he had a thought enter his own mind, but he was unable to recognize it as his own thought so he projected it on to you.

Everyone stacks the deck somewhat when doing research. Quantum physicists have known for many years that whatever is observed is changed by the person doing the observer. No such thing as unbiased research! Yet I agree that a so-called 'independent researcher' is likley to be less biased that a researcher on the oil company payroll.
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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An alarm bell ought to go off -- on either side -- when virtually all the oil company's' researchers proclaim it safe and virtually all the environmental groups' researchers claim it is dangerous.

It's very much like the Keystone Pipeline situation. The energy companies claim there is no risk to the Ogalalla aquifer. Well, yes there is. But the President is stalling...pure and simple. We fought WWI and WWII in a shorter timespan that it has taken to make the decision. Both sides are being less than genuine.

Let's make it simple, Mr. President. Make public the decision you have already made and then stand up like a man and face the consequences. And oil companies -- start being honest about the risks and stand up like men. You're all a bunch of cowards on both sides. You're all pandering.
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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An alarm bell ought to go off -- on either side -- when virtually all the oil company's' researchers proclaim it safe and virtually all the environmental groups' researchers claim it is dangerous.

It's very much like the Keystone Pipeline situation. The energy companies claim there is no risk to the Ogalalla aquifer. Well, yes there is. But the President is stalling...pure and simple. We fought WWI and WWII in a shorter timespan that it has taken to make the decision. Both sides are being less than genuine.

Let's make it simple, Mr. President. Make public the decision you have already made and then stand up like a man and face the consequences. And oil companies -- start being honest about the risks and stand up like men. You're all a bunch of cowards on both sides. You're all pandering.

Word.
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Where the heart is...
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Apologies in advance for not having read all 45 posts, however...and not to be 100% off topic, there are other issues to consider as well. I agree with Kathryn 100%...word!

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Old 06-23-2014, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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I heard a recent interview with our beloved governor on Colorado Public Radio, and he said he was going to do his best to keep voter initiatives off the ballot in November
Not very representative of the people.

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voter referendums iare usually ill-advised and little more than mob rule,
Why ill-advised? Don't they give people a say?
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not very representative of the people.



Why ill-advised? Don't they give people a say?
Sure worked in California!
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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Not very representative of the people. Why ill-advised? Don't they give people a say?
Electing our leaders IS very representative. Once we elect them we need to get the hell out of the way and let them lead. We can always vote them out at the next election or even recall them.

Referendums like we have in COLO are just another form of mob rule. I know there are states in this nation where if they put bringing back "Jim Crow" laws on a referendum that it would pass. This sort of situation is called the tyranny of the majority and it's been wrong since day one, not to mention that it's just plain stupid to repeatedly waste our money voting on nonsense like "personhood" amendments which is a regular sideshow in the referendum circus and always defeated by at least 70% majority.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Wink Into your state

"Natural earthquakes tend, generally, to be a little deeper - maybe like 10 miles, deep in the earth's crust," said Anne Sheehan, seismologist and professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder Department of Geological Sciences. "I mean that can certainly vary a lot. But if it's really shallow then we would be more suspicious [of fracking being the cause]." [3]



Hundreds of people are expected to turn out tonight, Thursday, at a town hall meeting in Edmond, Oklahoma to discuss what might be done about all the many earthquakes in their region apparently caused by fracking. Historically uncommon, many small to medium size earthquakes are now common in Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas. Residents in Texas and Oklahoma have also raised such concerns.

Recently Oklahoma City has experienced earthquakes strong enough to wake residents from their sleep. With an average of two similar earthquakes annually from 1978 to 2008, Oklahoma has witnessed 145 such earthquakes of 3.0 or greater just between January of this year and May 2. [1]

Meanwhile, in Colorado, the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission has been forced to suspend operations at one fracking site near Greeley due two recent and notable earthquakes. University of Colorado seismologists will monitor the area during the imposed cessation of injection of wastewater. [2]

It might be noted the strongest earthquake in Denver's history, a 5.3 magnitude earthquake, was on August 9, 1967. The Rocky Mountain Arsenal at Rocky Flats was injecting 'wastewater' into a 12,000-foot deep well. With the U.S. Army persuaded to stop these activities, such earthquakes ceased. [3]

It is well known that the government massively polluted the Rocky Flats area. And a good question what the constituents of this 'wastewater' they were permanently pumping into Colorado.

If less a mystery the ingredients of the toxic brew oil companies are allowed to similarly dispose of into Colorado as 'wastewater.' It is not only a question of subsequent earthquakes of the moment (or perhaps of longer duration) in result, but exactly what they are doing to our precious groundwater.



Addendum: On Wednesday the House of Representatives voted to expedite applications for export of liquified natural gas produced in this country.[4] This towards geopolitical aims, not to mention additional profit for oil companies, if unlikely the benefit to US citizens and oil product customers. To be clear, to be exported (contrary to the usual advertising claims of the benefits of additional energy for Colorado).



1) 'Earthquakes shake Oklahoma and Texas –*and locals want to know why,' The Guardian
Earthquakes shake Oklahoma and Texas

2) 'Weld Co. fracking site temporarily closes while experts determine cause of*quakes,' Fox 31
Weld Co. fracking site temporarily closes while experts determine cause of quakes | KDVR.com

3) 'Did fracking fluid cause Greeley quake?' 9News
9NEWS.com | Denver | Colorado's online news leader | Breaking

4) 'House votes to expedite US natural gas exports,' RT
http://rt.com/usa/168496-house-exped...l-gas-exports/

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