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Old 02-18-2011, 07:33 PM
Location: N. Colorado
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Money for schools is extremely important. Having gone from a good school system to our current one I can tell you how:

Hiring and keeping better more experinced teachers- ours goes through them like tissues. We get alot of new teachers fresh out of school who move on the next year for better pay. We get to test them out first I guess and some have no clue what they are doing. Sure now that they economy stinks we keep them longer.

Field trips, quite fun and educational, we have one a year and they are usually to the same place, the flipping Natural History Museum. I now hate that place

Not enough teachers to student ratio. If a school cannot afford 5 fourth grade teachers they cram the kids into 3 classes.

Old or outdated text books, no computers ( we do have them ) poor school libraries.

So yes money is important to a school. Think of it as a business, one has more funds to put back into the business and more time/effort and etc to devote to their "product" and the other business has a very limited budget, which one will do better?

Anyway to the original question. Not to insult anyone in NC but it is more say hick-ish, laid back, slower pace of life then you are use to. At least in the areas I have been to and had in-laws in.

Texas is quite hot, kind of brown on the West side, pretty and greener on the East side but wth alligators! lol Lower cost of living, but also less jobs. Quite a few people moved from there to here.

I am not sure what if any state has a positive outlook in this economy. Even if your job stinks rght now you keep it, never know when you will get another.

Weather is a factor, NC milder Winters then we have, far shorter too, but they are far more humid then we are in the Summer. Here it is a dry heat and a mile closer to the sun which you notice it in the Summer.

Visit, apply for jobs if you like it here, but do not do anything without a job. You could be without one for months here. My friend has been out of one now for over a year. I tell her " Your job is looking for a job!"

I had considered Oregon before I moved here, ocean, trees and mountains all in one but my husband said it was too far away. Maybe that would be a good choice if you wanted to stay close to family?
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:15 AM
Location: California
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Originally Posted by David Aguilar View Post
Just judging from your original post, I wasn't feeling Colorado for you, but:

-Fairly high cost-of-living (Denver metro is roughly comparable to Sacramento), however, Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Greeley, the Eastern Plains, and some of the far out Denver sprawl can be cheap.

-There are two law schools in Denver: CU Boulder (Boulder is San Francisco-style expensive, though cheaper areas are within commuting distance....see: Longmont), and DU (University of Denver).

-IMO Colorado doesn't set high values to education. It's down the list after snow sports, outdoorsy stuff, Whole Foods, marijuana, beer, work, traffic, home life, etc. I would think somewhere back east (pretty much anywhere in BosWash), or places like SF and Seattle fit the "high value to education" thing far more than anywhere in Colorado (I've never gotten said impression here).

-Re: high value to family, any middle-class, family-oriented suburb just about anywhere will have that. Colorado Springs is known for being family-oriented, as are most Denver suburbs, and parts of every sizable city in the state. We have Rocklin's, Roseville's, and Folsom's here too if that's what you're looking for.

-This is only me talking, but I think Colorado is getting worse economically than it is getting better. Just a feeling is all.

-CO is a health-focused state, so I'm not sure if there's a surplus or deficit of personal trainers.

-If you like lots of snow, and wild temperature swings where it can be -9F one week, and 65F the next, Colorado is your place.

I'm thinking places more along the line of Olympia, WA, the Eastside suburbs of Seattle, and parts of the Bay Area (if it wasn't so expensive), for you (JMO).
You know, I really appreciate your insight. That's why I'm sifting through these opinions. Statistics can always be misleading. I noticed that CO was one of the most educated states in the US, however, I have also seen reports of that stat slipping and reducing.

Also you gave me an idea of how things are in your area (sounds like your familiar with my area). I appreciate the realistic comparison.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:20 AM
Location: California
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Originally Posted by smdensbcs View Post
Relative to CA, Colorado (in my opinion/experience) fits the above-description. Colorado is one of the most-educated states in the nation in terms of percentage of population with college and post-college degrees, though that is less of a "home-grown" phenomenon and more a result of folks like you (and me) moving here with degree(s) in hand. You are wise to consider going to professional school in the state you intend to live. I graduated near the top of my class from one of the best professional schools in the nation (located in CA) and it was BRUTAL trying to find my first job with no CO connections and that "CA" on the resume. Brutal.

As far as family, it's not that CO puts a "high value" on family relative to CA, it's more that the economic forces in CO are FAR more condusive to a successful family existence than I experienced in (coastal) CA, where virtually every family I knew (including my own) was broken/divorced. Not to say there's not divorce here. Just that long-term successful marriages are, as far as I can tell, FAR more the norm here than in CA.

Did I mention the job search in CO can be brutal, particularly if there's even a "whiff" of CA scent on you? Three years at a CO law school would probably be sufficient to remove that CA stigma potential employers would likely find stinky.

As far as economic outlook, I'm no economist, but I suspect long-term population trends will favor Rocky Mountain West population centers (i.e. the Colorado front range) at the expense of increasingly congested, unlivable coastal states. That's not to say you won't have challenges, because you will, but the payoff is that once you get a foot in the door here and somewhat established, you're literally MILES ahead of where you'd be in CA. For example, we own a spacious home (2/3 paid off) overlooking the city (Colorado Springs), in one of the best school districts in the state if not the nation, a 12 minute commute to my downtown office, surrounded by parks and hiking trails, and my wife has the financial ability to stay home with our kids until she feels the time is right to go back to work. On the identical income in coastal CA, we'd be lucky to be renting a two-bedroom apartment in a moderately safe neighborhood. It's hard to even express how much better the opportunity/lifestyle is out here compared to CA. The only real downside is that some CO "natives" will blame economic refugees like you that CO looks different than their memories of the 1950's, but that's a relatively small price to pay for the lifestyle upgrade from the CA nightmare.
You guys are great. I love the various opinions I'm getting in this forum. Another realistic and relative opinion. And thank you for understanding my sentiments on choosing a state prior to the professional school. I still feel that is the better option. (Requires less major moves if possible).

Makes things harder for me (in terms of decision making), but I like that. I know I will make an informed decision now!
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:26 AM
Location: California
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Gmm 24, thank you for your insight. I really appreciate it. We did think about Oregon briefly, but that state has little to no focus on law. They had one law school in the top 100 and it was towards the bottom bottom. Haha.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:24 AM
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Sorry to say but it doesn't really matter which state you move to. Law school is a loser's bet. I cited this article recently for another poster but you should probably have a look too. There is plenty more where this came from. Unfortunately for aspiring lawyers such as yourself, more lawyers are just not in demand with a market swamped with unemployed JDs already. And on top of that misery are the non-dischargeable student loans you must pay back at the end.

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Old 02-21-2011, 09:07 AM
Location: California
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That's the second time I've heard that galt. It certainly could effect my decision. Thanks for the heads up.
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