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Old 08-21-2007, 02:55 PM
 
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I don't mind the vineyards. My point was that orchard acreage is in freefall. Vineyards contributed to some of that, but most of the orchards have succumbed to rural sprawl. So many orchards have gone away that much of the infrastructure to support the fruit industry in Colorado--packing sheds, canning plants, etc.--have disappeared, too.

Personally, I get real real worried that we import about 70% of our oil these days. But what scares the living hell out of me is that we are becoming reliant on imports for our food, too! Check out a bottle of apple juice, for example, and see where the apples are coming from. So, let's see: we're dependent on a bunch of foreign countries (many run by two-bit dictators, terrorist sympathizers, or general U.S. haters) for the energy to run our cars and supply much of our other energy "needs" (because we can't figure out how to conserve--even a little); and--pretty soon--some of those same type of prima donna countries may be deciding how much food they are going to send us. Is there anybody besides me that thinks that isn't a very pretty picture? Meanwhile, in Colorado, we just keep drying up and paving over our prime ag lands . . .
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:08 PM
 
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Jazzlover

Thanks for the clarification. Your point is well taken.

regards...Franco
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Old 08-21-2007, 10:35 PM
 
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you know what's unfortunate is the local governments that are allowing so much sprawl. The city officials that regulate the zoning need to hear from more people like you jazzlover
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:25 AM
 
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you know what's unfortunate is the local governments that are allowing so much sprawl. The city officials that regulate the zoning need to hear from more people like you jazzlover
CAmom, you are so right. This is where the crazy sprawl can be stopped or at least controlled. You will never convince people to stop moving here by bashing them for all the changes. You will never stop developers by appealing to their conscious about responsible growth with restrictions concerning water and land usage. The local officials can control sprawl if they really wanted to.
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:10 AM
 
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My wife (CAmom) and I visited colorado last year because several of our friends(some in Ca and some in Co) told us we really needed to check it out. We did and we loved what we saw and the people we met. We returned home to Burbank, a suburb of LA and put our home up for sale. The part I feel guilty about is that I'm just another one of those people that's moving into the state. Speaking for me and my wife though we definetly don't want to try to turn colorado into anything other than the beautiful place that it already is. I'm sure that years ago people would say it was even more breathtaking. I know that we will contribute to the community where we bought our house and always admire the state we're now living in.
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:28 AM
 
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Default Leave it at the state line.

CAMom wrote:
The part I feel guilty about is that I'm just another one of those people that's moving into the state.
As far as I'm concerned, you can drop your guilt like a hot potatoe. Feeling guilty serves no one, improves the situation in no beneficial way, and only contributes to an unhappy state of mind. Leave your guilt at the state line, and come to Colorado with enthusiasm, happiness, and positive expectancy!

blessings....Franco
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:50 AM
 
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thank you newageredneck (sounds funny to say that out loud)
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Old 08-22-2007, 11:02 AM
 
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Well, here's the dirty secret: In Colorado, the developer and real estate interests OWN the political process, from local government right up to the statehouse. I know--I was involved in that process for nearly 25 years. Any elected official--of either party--who dared suggest muzzling the developers was immediately targeted for defeat. Those interests have big money and they spend it wisely to protect their interests. If you don't believe it, trace the campaign contributions in just about every local or state election race.

Just like there will be pimps and prostitutes so long as there are "johns" with money, as long as people continue to demand their "little piece" of Colorado, there will be people to supply what they want, no matter what disastrous long-term effects it has on the state. That is, until the state's population exceeds the state's water resources or our wasteful ways run us out of basic resources like fuel and food--an eventuality that our continued greed and ignorance seems certain to precipitate in the not too distant future.

I dare add that there used to be a saying pretty popular in Colorado: "So goes California, so goes Colorado and the rest of the country." If that is true, God help us . . .
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:59 PM
 
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how sad that is
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:11 PM
 
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California does some good things too:

Schwarzenegger Announces Joint Western Goal to Slow Global Warming

regards...Franco
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