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Old 11-17-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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In the Nat Geo article linked by IDUNN, there is an excellent set of photo's with very informative captions that explain the tar sands process and the area where they are mined.
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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My brother works there for Suncor. Fracking is so much less invasive than the tarsands plus it's cheaper than drilling in the gulf.
We need it so let's go get it! RP

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Old 11-17-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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My brother works there for Suncor. Fracking is so much less invasive than the tarsands plus it's cheaper than drilling in the gulf.
We need it so let's go get it! RP
Whoa. I don't know much about fracking. But, I doubt it's a simple as you're saying.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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Whoa. I don't know much about fracking. But, I doubt it's a simple as you're saying.
It is now the technology has come along. They can drill down thousands of feet and then horizontally hundreds of feet down to a foot. And tech is getting better and better. People I've talked to say that it will not be long before they can go down 20000 feet if they want.
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:06 PM
 
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The tarsands are just part of the cost of living in the 21st century. Would you rather deplete the Middle East oil and save ours till the sheet hits the fan ($200/barrel)? RP
That has been the plan all along...
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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It is now the technology has come along. They can drill down thousands of feet and then horizontally hundreds of feet down to a foot. And tech is getting better and better. People I've talked to say that it will not be long before they can go down 20000 feet if they want.
I'm not questioning the ability of the technology. I'm questioning the safety factors. I hope we aren't about to commit to another round of mining that will duplicate the environmental disasters that one can see all over Colorado and the rest of the nation from Pennsylvania to southern California.
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Georgetown,TX
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Whoa. I don't know much about fracking. But, I doubt it's a simple as you're saying.

Fracking takes a lot of water, and an unpleasant chemical mix to boot. Holding companies to clean up the reclaimed slurry is also a problem. Here in TX and other places, the concern is that the chemicals will leach into aquifers/groundwater.
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Fracking takes a lot of water, and an unpleasant chemical mix to boot. Holding companies to clean up the reclaimed slurry is also a problem. Here in TX and other places, the concern is that the chemicals will leach into aquifers/groundwater.
Looking at the wikipedia article on fracking, they link to a congressional report on the chemicals used of which there are quite a few listed, down around page 8 of the report.

The water requirements are not chump change either: "...initial drilling operation may consume from 65,000 gallons to 600,000 gal. Over its lifetime an average well will require an additional 5 million gallons of water..."
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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Looking at the wikipedia article on fracking, they link to a congressional report on the chemicals used of which there are quite a few listed, down around page 8 of the report.

The water requirements are not chump change either: "...initial drilling operation may consume from 65,000 gallons to 600,000 gal. Over its lifetime an average well will require an additional 5 million gallons of water..."
Around where I live, at least with Shell(which pretty much own all the rights around here), they are recycling all the water at recycling plants they set up that recycle 500,000 gallons an hour, 24 hours a day.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:49 AM
 
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It is now the technology has come along. They can drill down thousands of feet and then horizontally hundreds of feet down to a foot. And tech is getting better and better. People I've talked to say that it will not be long before they can go down 20000 feet if they want.
You keep talking about the upsides. You seem to be ignoring serious groundwater pollution due to fracking.
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