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Old 05-14-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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Then explain to me where he is wrong as he explains everything using data and mathematical models. Plus he is backed up by a separate study by MIT that shows solar will be 1/2 the cost of fossil fuels by 2020. If this is true then Colorado stands to really gain from this as a study shows the southern part of the state among the best in the nation for solar plants and we can finally get rid of the coal power plants such as the one by downtown Colorado Springs.

Here is a map showing where solar plants should be built. As a side note, and yes from a homer perspective, Pueblo really has a chance to be the center of the new energy economy in the state.

This map shows the national power grid

As you can see a major power line goes through Pueblo and that is why this area is said be a very good place for a solar plant.

This shows the part of Pueblo county being considered for a solar plant

As you can see major transmission lines are already in the area and little addition would be necessary keeping the cost of the project down.
He is no energy expert, just another opinionated blogger online who takes from one study here or there and some other suppositions. He doesn't know anymore than anyone here.

Second, whatever happens in 2020, happens. It isn't here and now.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Please post some crebible links to Kurzweil's refereed papers on his solar power hypothesis including the data that he is using. Also, please post a credible link to the MIT study. Not to a mere summary of the studies from an energy blog, but to the actual studies.
Here is a link of what he is talking about:

Ray Kurzweil: Solar Will Power the World in 16 Years | Think Tank | Big Think

I can't find the MIT study on line (I heard it from a speach given by Dr Peter Diamandis on youtube) but I did find this study that backs up what I posted. If you want I can post the link to what I did see on youtube.

On page 3 it gives the projected cost of solar.

"The Solar PV least-squares trendline is fit to data points representing the actual cost of producing a kilowatt-hour in the year shown through 2010 and for cost projections from 2010 to 2020."

The graph shows the estimated cost to be .04 PKW.

The link: http://www.ncwarn.org/wp-content/upl...ort_final1.pdf

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Doesn't the map show that Alamosa should be the center of solar power production?
You have to look at it from a whole perspective and while Alamosa will have solar plants with the highways, grid and other infrastructure Pueblo is the large city in the middle of it all where the companies would most likely locate.


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Wow. Just wow. Once again your complete lack of attention to detail is apparent. You are showing a map of a conceptual plan for a national power grid. A grid that does not exist as any kind of concrete proposal.
My bad. I thought this was part of the current grid.

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If you look at the actual power grid in CO you'll that Pueblo is far less connected that what you fantasize about.
Sorry to say, but have you actually kept track of this proposal? The company that proposed it is dead, and I still don't understand how showing a failed proposal lends and shred of credibility to your argument.
Pueblo county has major power lines going through it because of the large coal plant we have, most of the energy is used in the Denver metro area not Pueblo as I think only Rocky Mountain Steel gets power from it locally.

As far as the future of solar in Pueblo. I volunteer for PEDCo (Pueblo Economic Development Corporation) and I know for a fact that area is being looked at for a large solar field.

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Old 05-14-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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He is no energy expert, just another opinionated blogger online who takes from one study here or there and some other suppositions. He doesn't know anymore than anyone here.
He is not a blogger he is a expert and spends his life studying the future of technology.

Here is a description about him:

Ray Kurzweil has been described as “the restless genius” by the Wall Street Journal, and “the ultimate thinking machine” by Forbes. Inc. magazine ranked him #8 among entrepreneurs in the United States, calling him the “rightful heir to Thomas Edison,” and PBS included Ray as one of 16 “revolutionaries who made America,” along with other inventors of the past two centuries.

The link: About Ray Kurzweil

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Second, whatever happens in 2020, happens. It isn't here and now.
2020 is 8 years away. I can see that line of thinking if I said 2100 but 8 years is nothing. If Colorado wants to capitalize on the emerging solar industry we need to get on the bandwagon now and prepare for it not 8 years form now when it is here.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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He is not a blogger he is a expert and spends his life studying the future of technology.
Ah, I see. "He is a (sic) expert"...on everything? A fortune-teller? Sorry, no sale.

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2020 is 8 years away. I can see that line of thinking if I said 2100 but 8 years is nothing. If Colorado wants to capitalize on the emerging solar industry we need to get on the bandwagon now and prepare for it not 8 years form now when it is here.

What we don't need to do is steal from the taxpayers to create another subsidy-addicted industry that will quickly die the day taxpayer money stops flowing to it. That bandwagon you want us on is the socialist bandwagon, and it is rolling down the road to perdition.

You want to "invest" your own money in the folly and take the chance that these pollyanna forecasts are wrong? Go for it. But don't steal from others to fund these long-shot losers. There is already a long list of failed solar enterprises since this article was written putting the harsh realities up in lights--we absolutely don't need more Solyndra-style corruption and waste.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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What we don't need to do is steal from the taxpayers to create another subsidy-addicted industry that will quickly die the day taxpayer money stops flowing to it. That bandwagon you want us on is the socialist bandwagon, and it is rolling down the road to perdition.
Do you use the same vitrol to speak about subsidized loans for other energy development such as nuclear or natural gas? Or how about everyone's favorite non-socialist hand-outs to 'merica's farmers for ethanol?

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You want to "invest" your own money in the folly and take the chance that these pollyanna forecasts are wrong? Go for it. But don't steal from others to fund these long-shot losers. There is already a long list of failed solar enterprises since this article was written putting the harsh realities up in lights--we absolutely don't need more Solyndra-style corruption and waste.
Blah, blah, blah. How about the waste that is the JSF or the LCS projects. Is that the kind of corruption and waste that is more or your alley with it's socialist trappings hidden under the specter of defense? If I drape it in the 'guise of national defense will you gladly support it and the pork-barrel jobs that it brings to your little neck of the woods?
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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We're straying from alternative energy into politics, which gets us into another whole set of topics....and unending arguments.

There's a lot of taxpayer money going to tons of things, but let's just get back to the topic of alternative energy and leave the political aspects for discussions in the Politics and Other Controversies forum.

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Old 05-14-2012, 08:06 PM
 
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He is not a blogger he is a expert and spends his life studying the future of technology.

Here is a description about him:

Ray Kurzweil has been described as “the restless genius” by the Wall Street Journal, and “the ultimate thinking machine” by Forbes. Inc. magazine ranked him #8 among entrepreneurs in the United States, calling him the “rightful heir to Thomas Edison,” and PBS included Ray as one of 16 “revolutionaries who made America,” along with other inventors of the past two centuries.

The link: About Ray Kurzweil

2020 is 8 years away. I can see that line of thinking if I said 2100 but 8 years is nothing. If Colorado wants to capitalize on the emerging solar industry we need to get on the bandwagon now and prepare for it not 8 years form now when it is here.
Yeah I know who he is. He is no energy expert and has no training, education or experience working in the energy business. He is just another guy with an opinion.

A part of utopian statism is bringing out "masterminds" who claim these great magical powers to see into the future and that they have all of the answers, when in reality they are false prophets who do not know more than anyone else out there.

If this is such a great technology, let private enterprise have at it, keep our taxpayer dollars out of it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Do you use the same vitrol to speak about subsidized loans for other energy development such as nuclear or natural gas?
Yes

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Old 05-19-2012, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Way Out West...
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+1 on Wind power and Geothermal technologies.
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