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View Poll Results: Should Colorado Legalize Marijuana?
Yes 164 76.64%
No. 50 23.36%
Voters: 214. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-15-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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And yet you keep on coming back to try...
Not worth the effort Bob since you don't know how to debate. Only spout & judge.
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:52 PM
 
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BIG BIG difference. They actually started cleaning up the military in the mid 80's. I joined the Army right as they started clamping down. You could have fought a war with all of the soldiers being busted. Nothing like that now. By the time I left the Army I knew very few people getting busted for comping up positive. It happened, but rather uncommon. The military typically tests for anything and everything. I'm sure there is still drug use, but I'm also sure it is WAY less than outside of the military. Nobody with half a brain will risk being demoted, losing pay, and even being kicked out of the military just to smoke a joint.

Yeah, we're talking about different eras, aren't we. Back in the times I wrote about ( early 70s ), the military enlisted ranks and lower level officer ranks were mostly draftees rather than volunteers. A high percentage of those draftees didn't want to be there, but they chose what seemed like the lesser of two evils. Rather than going to prison, they reluctanlty became soldiers. Many of them only wished they could get kicked out......just by smoking a joint.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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Say what you want about the policy merits of legalization, but the goal should be to decrease the use of marijuana (which legalization does not seem to do). You're out of your mind if you find something valuable or good about marijuana use. It is a sad society--and, of course, we are a sad society--that needs a narcotic to bring enough excitement or interest to life to make it worth living. I don't think I've ever met a marijuana user/addict/whatever whose life I'd want to live for myself, which is why I often feel a real sense of sadness when I see (and usually smell) marijuana users on the light rail or coming out of a dispensary. These people are living for "the bud," which is really no way to live at all.

Call it corny, but I call it powerful: with God's grace, I've built a life that is worthy of living and it's a life far more exciting than the momentary highs of a drug-induced state of excitement. My hunch is that your average pothead has probably given up on that possibilty and has instead turned to a daily joint to do it for them. That's a sad existence, and it's one nobody envies.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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GoneNative: I can honestly make a statement similar to yours...with God's grace, I've built a life that is worthy of living that ocassionally includes a minute amount of MJ that God so graciously included in the creation.
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Say what you want about the policy merits of legalization, but the goal should be to decrease the use of marijuana (which legalization does not seem to do). You're out of your mind if you find something valuable or good about marijuana use. It is a sad society--and, of course, we are a sad society--that needs a narcotic to bring enough excitement or interest to life to make it worth living. I don't think I've ever met a marijuana user/addict/whatever whose life I'd want to live for myself, which is why I often feel a real sense of sadness when I see (and usually smell) marijuana users on the light rail or coming out of a dispensary. These people are living for "the bud," which is really no way to live at all.

Call it corny, but I call it powerful: with God's grace, I've built a life that is worthy of living and it's a life far more exciting than the momentary highs of a drug-induced state of excitement. My hunch is that your average pothead has probably given up on that possibilty and has instead turned to a daily joint to do it for them. That's a sad existence, and it's one nobody envies.
Well, I think it's sad that you think it's sad when someone smokes pot but they aren't really sad, in this sad society. That's just sad. When you feel the sadness overtaking you, I suggest you try minding your own business. It works wonders.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Weed, pot is no more a narcotic than alcohol is.


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It is a sad society--and, of course, we are a sad society--that needs a narcotic to bring enough excitement or interest to life to make it worth living..
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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It is a sad society--and, of course, we are a sad society
In reality, societies are not sad. For better or worse, they are what they are. You are projecting your own inner sadness on to society. It's a common strategy to avoid changing yourself. You might consider examining your thoughts and beliefs about MJ that are at the root of your sadness. Or if you prefer...just stay sad. It is your choice.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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So wierd, my husband and I were talking about this last weekend. My firm belief is this...when the generation who were shown the 1936 classic "Reefer Madness" during their formative years eventually dies off, this debate will end. Unfortunately, most of our lawmakers fall into that age group.....Google it~ you'll see what I mean... you can hear it in some of the arguments in this thread! My Dad says he was shown that movie when he went into the Army in 1953.
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Old 12-17-2011, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Not everyone is the same. Not everyone has the same beliefs. Not everyone has the same physiology. Not everyone fits the mold of believing in God, or gods, or no such thing at all, and not everyone can solve every problem with alcohol, or marijuana, or ritalin, or claritin, or what have you.

But some things work for some people that don't work for others. So long as those things aren't harming the rest of us, I still don't see why we should care what someone is putting in their own body. I'm a vegetarian, but I do NOT go around telling everyone I know that they need to give up meat because I happen to disagree with it (or it disagrees with me.)

I think it's important that each of us are conscious of what we are doing, as frequently as we can be...but that's the most we can ask. Be aware of what you are doing, and then make your decisions appropriately. Beyond that, it's not really my business if pot, or God, or beef happens to make you feel better, function better or be better in your own point of view.

If someone can TRULY show me how this issue hurts our society as a whole, and I know plenty of very high functioning people that smoke, or drink, or do many other things, then I might change my mind. I used to be one of those people that bought into the Schedule 1 hype machine. Once I saw MJ in action I observed that it didn't fit the propaganda that had been pushed on me.

If it hurts us all, I'll change my tune, but otherwise, why are we trying to tell other people what they can and can't do with their own bodies?
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Zen, good points... but the law is the law. If you don't like the law, then vote. If you don't like the laws of one state or municipality, then change it or vote with your feet... or break the law and suffer the consequences.

If you break certain laws and get punished, they will tear up your right-to-drink-booze/take-drugs ticket. You might even be sent to treatment, prescribed some pharmaceutical, diagnosed with a nifty label and you will be part of the lucrative rehab industry.

The simple solution would seem to be to just put the chight down and find a new hobby. But we've gone too far to even suggest such a simple solution as we've tread on other people's values principles... politics... or another way to put it... we've stepped on their ego.

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