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View Poll Results: Should Colorado Legalize Marijuana?
Yes 164 76.64%
No. 50 23.36%
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: TX
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I see someone beat me to the punch. ALCOHOL KILLS THOUSANDS, I guess you'll know that now.... I've had friends who weren't alcoholics or ever in trouble with the law, etc, who died as their livers could not handle the booze... With a plant like marijuana, where not a single case of it ever killing anyone, yet you believe possessing it should deprive people of their freedom, and future, while a killer like alcohol, (which often kills innocent people around them), is freely available, is pure insanity, period....
Hey, you look like you'd enjoy my newly published post on the City-Data forums. In this exciting new edition, I say I don't think people should go to prison for marijuana affiliation. I also tell who the REAL killer is, and how they framed alcohol as a cold-breweded murderer! I'm sorry to hear about your friends (you did say 'friends', PLURAL, right? Interesting) But I still say it was the act of drinking it when they shouldn't. And if you told me they had no warning signs that they should stop, it'd be the first case I had EVER heard of. One for the Guinness indeed (pun intended).

Alcohol kills no one, unless this entire time we've been discussing a Mr. Edward Alcohol who has been videotaped shooting his victim dead. I do apologize if that is the case.

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You are blind, whether or not it's willful I don't yet know. Portugal decriminalized all drugs and usage dropped.
And how is decriminalization different from what I said should be done? Or do you not know the difference between decriminalization and legalization? And also, let's not compare Portugal and the U.S. It's a silly idea. The Portugese told me right before they aired 'Jackass'.

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They're already freely available to anyone who wants them, and most who want them are already using them. Rare indeed is a person waiting for the law to say it's okay.
You're theorizing at me again, DF. It's not that people are sitting around saying, "I'd do it, if only it were legal". It's that you have to know the right people (and they have to know you). It's NOT as easy as you're claiming, because I don't know any drug dealers nor have I ever.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:15 PM
 
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You're theorizing at me again, DF. It's not that people are sitting around saying, "I'd do it, if only it were legal". It's that you have to know the right people (and they have to know you). It's NOT as easy as you're claiming, because I don't know any drug dealers nor have I ever.
You live a sheltered life.

I don't know any "drug dealers" either, defining "drug dealer" as someone who makes their sole living from producing and selling and/or reselling drugs. Yet, if i want some, and from time to time, I do, a few phone calls is all it takes.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: TX
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You live a sheltered life.
I don't know any "drug dealers" either, defining "drug dealer" as someone who makes their sole living from producing and selling and/or reselling drugs. Yet, if i want some, and from time to time, I do, a few phone calls is all it takes.
Haha, well there ya go. To the extent that I'm not the only person in the U.S. who "lives a sheltered life", the law's serving a purpose.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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Haha, well there ya go. To the extent that I'm not the only person in the U.S. who "lives a sheltered life", the law's serving a purpose.
You are one of the few.

I am a college educated, white collar professional. By day I advise corporate enterprises on what their strategies should be. Were you to see me in that role, based on your naivete, I'd guess it would shock you that I have such connections.

And yet, most of them look like me during working hours.

Things that make you go hmm.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:58 PM
 
Location: TX
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You are one of the few.

I am a college educated, white collar professional. By day I advise corporate enterprises on what their strategies should be. Were you to see me in that role, based on your naivete, I'd guess it would shock you that I have such connections.

And yet, most of them look like me during working hours.

Things that make you go hmm.
No, this is just making me yawn, actually. Maybe I'll check with you guys tomorrow. Lock up! Alcohol may be just a few blocks away
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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You are one of the few.

I am a college educated, white collar professional. By day I advise corporate enterprises on what their strategies should be. Were you to see me in that role, based on your naivete, I'd guess it would shock you that I have such connections.

And yet, most of them look like me during working hours.

Things that make you go hmm.
It gives me no comfort to know that people working in responsible positions buy illicit drugs from criminals to use in their free time. I have to wonder what kind of ethics they have in their workplace if they can justify engaging in illegal activities when they are not working. Probably not very good ethics. I find it very strange that those who buy illegal marijuana can say with a straight face that their drug-dealing "connections" are somehow different than those who deal meth, cocaine, heroin, or other dangerous drugs. They're not. They are all slimeballs selling an illegal substance for profit. And they exist because fools like you financially support them.
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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Just because toxic pharmaceuticals are legal does not make them good. Just because something like MJ is declared illegal does not make it bad. There are times when CIVIL DIS-OBEDIENCE is called for.
Individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that they have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice.....Henry David Thoreau


The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right... Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.....Henry David Thoreau


That being said, even in the days when I used MJ frequently, I never spent a nickle on it. It was 99% locally grown. More than a year and half ago, when visiting a friend in CA, he gave me one joint of his home grown as a going away gift. I used the last of it a month ago. I use it so infrequently, that one joint lasted almost a year and a half. When it's gone it's gone. I don't miss it, but I sure do enjoy it when it is available. Abstinence is over rated. Been there, done that with no MJ, and no alcohol for more than 30 years. Then I got off my high horse, holier than thou attitude and CONSCIOUSLY made a choice to use it every now and then.







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Old 12-20-2011, 09:03 AM
 
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Just because toxic pharmaceuticals are legal does not make them good. Just because something like MJ is declared illegal does not make it bad. There are times when CIVIL DIS-OBEDIENCE is called for.
Individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that they have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice.....Henry David Thoreau


The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right... Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.....Henry David Thoreau


That being said, even in the days when I used MJ frequently, I never spent a nickle on it. It was 99% locally grown. More than a year and half ago, when visiting a friend in CA, he gave me one joint of his home grown as a going away gift. I used the last of it a month ago. I use it so infrequently, that one joint lasted almost a year and a half. When it's gone it's gone. I don't miss it, but I sure do enjoy it when it is available. Abstinence is over rated. Been there, done that with no MJ, and no alcohol for more than 30 years. Then I got off my high horse, holier than thou attitude and CONSCIOUSLY made a choice to use it every now and then.






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"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it.""Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor."
President Theodore Roosevelt - Third Annual Message to Congress, December 7, 1903
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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Ehh, I agree with CosmicWizard that a little civil disobedience is perfectly fine. But I don't agree that abstinence is overrated (one word). Reasons for it may be overVALUED, but I think abstinence from drugs of any kind is great! What could be better than getting your highs from something within than an external source?

And yes, before anyone asked, I've been your kind of high before.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Durango, CO
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"The irresponsibility lies with those who think we need to stop people from pursuing these activities because they don't know how to mind their own business."

Hear, hear. You've managed to summarize my thoughts on this subject in this one sentence.
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