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Old 02-27-2012, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Which identity do you want to choose for Pueblo? A "steel town" or a "university town". Seems like you grasp at any little attention-getter that Pueblo gets. Me thinks thou dost attest too much.
Cities can and should have more then one identity. Historically Pueblo has not and that is the root of the problems that started here when the steel industry collapsed. Now today the steel mill was able to rebound and is doing good so the term "steel town" still applies. On top of that with the change of USC to CSU Pueblo and the growth of the institution since then Pueblo is quietly becoming a "university town" as well. That is great news for the city and one that I talk about a lot.

You have no idea how excited I get when Pueblo makes the national news in a positive way. My uncle who lives outside of Pueblo will mail me clippings of the NY Times if he see's a article about Pueblo as he knows I would like to see it. Someone can make fun of me, I dont care. They can make fun of my family again I don't care. However if they make fun of Pueblo them there fighting words. I have been this way my entire life and will most likely be this way till I die.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Cities can and should have more then one identity. Historically Pueblo has not and that is the root of the problems that started here when the steel industry collapsed. Now today the steel mill was able to rebound and is doing good so the term "steel town" still applies. On top of that with the change of USC to CSU Pueblo and the growth of the institution since then Pueblo is quietly becoming a "university town" as well. That is great news for the city and one that I talk about a lot.

You have no idea how excited I get when Pueblo makes the national news in a positive way. My uncle who lives outside of Pueblo will mail me clippings of the NY Times if he see's a article about Pueblo as he knows I would like to see it. Someone can make fun of me, I dont care. They can make fun of my family again I don't care. However if they make fun of Pueblo them there fighting words. I have been this way my entire life and will most likely be this way till I die.
You put far too much emphasis on Pueblo being a "college town". I first went to university in a small town, college town in New York State...you know...the thriving metropolis of Brockport. Or would you like to choose similar "college towns" like Geneseo, Plattsburgh, Alfred, Binghampton, Cortland, Fredonia, Herkimer, New Paltz, Oneonta, Oswego, Potsdam.

It's nice that Pueblo has a college. It doesn't make it Yale or Harvard.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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You put far too much emphasis on Pueblo being a "college town". I first went to university in a small town, college town in New York State...you know...the thriving metropolis of Brockport. Or would you like to choose similar "college towns" like Geneseo, Plattsburgh, Alfred, Binghampton, Cortland, Fredonia, Herkimer, New Paltz, Oneonta, Oswego, Potsdam.

It's nice that Pueblo has a college. It doesn't make it Yale or Harvard.
No CSU Pueblo will never be a Yale or Harvard and Pueblo will never be a Boston. What I am hoping for is something more modest. As CSU Pueblo grows to 20,000 students so will its research and companies should move to Pueblo to locate next to the university causing Pueblo to top 325,000 people in 30 years, 11 times more growth then it saw in the past 50. Maybe like a Duluth Minnesota as they are home to the University of Minnesota - Duluth and their metro population is 276,000.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:52 PM
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But is Duluth's population what it is BECAUSE of their university? I would argue not. At least not entirely.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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But is Duluth's population what it is BECAUSE of their university? I would argue not. At least not entirely.
Duluth is/was a major great lakes port for ore boats.....and other heavy industry.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:58 PM
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Duluth is/was a major great lakes port for ore boats.....and other heavy industry.
Exactly my point. Joss, just because a town has a university does not mean it is going to grow. There are plenty of small towns across the country that have major universities. Ames, Iowa; Manhattan, Kansas; and Auburn, Alabama come readily to mind.
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Exactly my point. Joss, just because a town has a university does not mean it is going to grow. There are plenty of small towns across the country that have major universities. Ames, Iowa; Manhattan, Kansas; and Auburn, Alabama come readily to mind.
I understand that throwing a university in a city won't automatically make it grow as there are other factors involved and it, also, depends on the university itself. Is it the kind of a university that is going to attract companies or not. Pueblo is a good example of that as it has had a university since the 1970's yet it was not the kind of university to help attract companies so none moved here because of the university. I don't believe that to be the case anymore as the Colorado State system is known for its research and I can already see a difference in Pueblo as in the past 7 years Pueblo was seriously considered by outside developers for a tech park and a research and development park. Now granted they have yet to happen because of the recession but prior to this Pueblo was not even considered for developments like that. I think that trend will continue.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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Your competition is not always another University but another campus of that University. If someone was doing research and had the pull and the funds to bring it to Colorado State University, I believe they would try harder to make sure the location would be in Fort Collins, not Pueblo.

There is no doubt that Fort Collins is a more desirous place to live than Pueblo for the educational elite. The educational elite will attract industrial researchers who will prefer Fort Collins over Pueblo. Pueblo will get some research initiatives because they would be site specific and more appropriate for Pueblo. However, the majority of people will want the research to be where they more enjoying living, and that would be Fort Collins/Loveland.

That is why Boston is more a location for hi-tech than Buffalo or Detroit. Boston is a much better city for quality of life and the perception of these qualities. The same applies in looking at Fort Collins over Pueblo.

Ah, but continue to give us some of your humorous hype--it does not hurt and Colorado still needs Pueblo to thrive and not be ignored. Saying all that, Fort Collins/LoveLand and with Greeley will grow together to be the next larger metro area not Pueblo.

If you really want to get blunt about it and stop all this political correct filtering of information. Some of the problem is: Many White people want to live with white people because they view it as a better quality of life and crime which they associate with people of color--in this case, Hispanics and Mexicans. Fort Collins is mostly white, and Pueblo has too many Hispanics and Mexicans. Oh, yea you will find many of those hypocrites on Universities who espouse the liberal ideas but really speak out of the side of mouths and want White only communities.

I, on the other hand, would be very happy and content to live with the Hispanic community. My neighborhood has a higher percentage of Hispanics than others. I enjoy the Hispanic culture and I think those who ostracize it, ignore it and criticize it are not my type of folks. I can easily live in Pueblo and have been positively influenced by your hype and banter. In addition, I believe the growing Hispanic community is becoming a power that must be recognized and cherished, for they offer much to the American experience.

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Old 02-28-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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LC, other ethnic groups had the same problem when they first came here, including your Italian ancestors, who got treated poorly just like the Jews, Poles, Chinese, Vietnamese boat people, and other nationalities and races. These days, no one thinks twice about those groups, they're well-regarded fellow citizens (except in the eyes of the KKK-style bigots). In a generation it will be the same with the Hispanics, who I find to be among the best workers I've ever seen, and their food is good and girls pretty....
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I can see there being healthy competition between CSU Fort Collins and CSU Pueblo especially as CSU Pueblo grows but I see that as a advantage to both schools not a disadvantage. No one can deny that CSU Pueblo is already a much better school and that Pueblo has seen the benefit and it has been less then 10 years. On top of that everyone is expecting CSU Pueblo to continue to grow and improve so fast forward 10, 20, and 30 years what will the university be like and what kind of social and economic impact will it have on Pueblo? If the last few years are any indication I think it could be much more then I think possible.

Finally I want to say I am not ignoring your comment about Fort Collins being a better place to live as that is subjective and I think by now we all know what I am going to say . I will say both universities growing and becoming stronger is only good for the system and that is why I am glad the system Chancellor is in Denver, a more neutral location, so they can make sure both universities can do the best they can.
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