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Old 06-12-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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Worth noting that there are nine contracted slurry bombers to cover the entire U.S. Nine.

The USFS is sourcing another 4 from AK and Canada.

One crashed in Nevada recently, killing the 2-person crew. It's a perilous job...drop the water or slurry too high and the heat vaporizes it...fly too low and risk crashing with poor vis, downdraft/updraft, etc.

The other real tragedy here is years of stupid fire suppression/logging policies and allowing development in fire prone areas. To live in the CO mountains any more is rolling the dice.

Wildfires burn so hot that a 2" stream of water at 115psi (common in wildland firefighting) vaporizes before it can even hit the leading edge of flames ... meaning that even "defensible space" is indefensible. This is what those guys are up against.

 
Old 06-12-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Ned CO @ 8300'
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Worth noting that there are nine contracted slurry bombers to cover the entire U.S. Nine.
Yep, and I included a link to a story from the AP in one of my posts.

@ Pamela, there is a lot of misinformation going around. I am really fed up with the Denver "news" stations. Everything is sensationalized. I watched the briefing by the fire official and Sheriff yesterday morning. They specifically asked the media NOT to show homes burning out of respect for the people who have lost their homes. So what do I see when I tune in channel 7 and 9 last night? Their cameras zooming right up close at homes ablaze. SICK.
A couple who said they were camping in the area and reported the fire at 5:55 am were on tv saying that nothing had been done for 5 hours. Others came forward soon and disputed their claims:
Doug Myers, who owns property about half-a-mile from where the fire started, says he saw planes in the air by 9 a.m. and the first aerial drop by 9:30 a.m.
Other witnesses also reported seeing aircraft shortly after 9 a.m. and firefighters on the ground before that. (reported here: http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120612/NEWS01/120612001/Campers-reported-High-Park-Fire-watched-smolder-hours?odyssey=mod|breaking|art3)

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Old 06-12-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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Yep, and I included a link to a story from the AP in one of my posts.

@ Pamela, there is a lot of misinformation going around. I am really fed up with the Denver "news" stations. Everything is sensationalized. I watched the update by the fire official and Sheriff yesterday morning. They specifically asked the media NOT to show homes burning out of respect for the people who have lost their homes. So what do I see when I tune in channel 7 and 9 last night? Their cameras zooming right up close at homes ablaze. SICK.
A couple who said they were camping in the area and reported the fire at 5:55 am were on tv saying that nothing had been done for 5 hours. Others came forward soon and disputed their claims:
Doug Myers, who owns property about half-a-mile from where the fire started, says he saw planes in the air by 9 a.m. and the first aerial drop by 9:30 a.m.
Other witnesses also reported seeing aircraft shortly after 9 a.m. and firefighters on the ground before that. (reported here: http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120612/NEWS01/120612001/Campers-reported-High-Park-Fire-watched-smolder-hours?odyssey=mod|breaking|art3)
I see your point, we are at the mercy of the media.

We live southeast from the fire, about 200 miles. My opinions are based on a combination of my own former firefighter/EMT experience and media reports. And yes, my experience was urban structure fires.
 
Old 06-12-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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Many folks don't realize that mountain fire agencies are largely volunteer staffed. Firefighters get the calls/pages at home, then have to drive to their 'station' where they then have to run through mandatory gear & apparatus checks, validate available personnel, get briefed/organized, and go. And many small mountain depts are not equipped & trained for interior search and rescue.

The response times are going to be quite a bit longer than a 24/7 fully-staffed firehouse in an urban setting where a crew is geared up on the rig and rolling out in well under 5 minutes.

9News could have used better judgement...the media just loves sensationalism and dry-humping tragedies.
 
Old 06-12-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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People need to get over the idea that there is any real "journalism" going on in the television media in Colorado, or anywhere else in the U.S. It's all about sensationalism, young and clueless (but physically attractive) talking heads, and ratings. Most of these TV "newspeople" are as dumb as a bucket of rocks, and too in a hurry or too lazy to get any substantial background or knowledge before blatting out a bunch of blather on a story. The few "real" journalists left--probably because they are older and less "attractive" to a younger and often largely clueless audience--increasingly get relegated to the "B" team until they get put out to pasture. I got particularly amused on the High Park fire story when one of the stations ran the same 3-day old footage as the background for every supposed "up-to-the-minute" fire update they gave for at least a day. Thank God for live internet radio feeds from Fort Collins Fire/EMS and a lot of publicly posted photos on sites like Flickr to give a realistic picture of what is going on up at the fire.
 
Old 06-13-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Am watching Fox31 news and they just reported the latest stats:

46,600 acres burned
10% containment
700 firefighters on the scene with a few hundred more on the way.

Today's forecast calls for 20 to 25 m.p.h. winds with the humidity at 8 to 12%
 
Old 06-13-2012, 09:21 AM
 
Location: SE Portland, OR
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Default WildFire

Any first hand info about the fire? I read about it yesterday. So Sad. I love the area around Rist and Poudre.
It's really close to the Res. now, right?
 
Old 06-13-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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Those firefighters are facing an almost impossible task against insurmountable odds yet they always manage to win.

I heard that Peterson AFB has C-130's ready and waiting to go but the Forest Service can't call them in due to their contractual obligations with private companies.

To me, this is just beyond belief. One would think that with a fire of this magnitude, all available resources would be called in to assist. One of my "adopted" sons is in the Air Force and he tells me that those planes are waiting specifically for the High Park fire.
 
Old 06-13-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Ned CO @ 8300'
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I watched the briefing this morning. There is going to be another this afternoon at 3:00 for citizens, 3:30 for media. Here is the latest:
There are 1000 personnel working the fire along with 22 aircraft.
Colorado-Wyoming National Guard providing 50 military police to work the roadblocks under the direction of the Sheriff's office.

Colorado Division of Emergency Management: High Park Fire Update: June 13 at 10:29 AM (#HighParkFire)
 
Old 06-13-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Bend, OR
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I have a friend who lives in FC and one in Loveland, and both have posted pics and status updates on Facebook saying the air quality is horrible right now. One friend, who lives in the Campus West neighborhood said burning embers and ash are falling from the sky. Sounds absolutely horrible! I also read that Pingree Park was evacuated yesterday, which makes me sad. I hope the fire spares the mountain campus. I have many fond memories of my summer spent up there while in Forestry school.

Last edited by Mike from back east; 06-13-2012 at 06:34 PM.. Reason: OBE after merging the threads.
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