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Old 06-30-2012, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
As I pointed out in my rant, trouble is anywhere and everywhere, no matter where 310,000,000 "idiots" choose to live. This weekend, the DC area is dealing with T-Storms that have killed at least 5 "idiots" who chose to live in the DC area, and have left 1.3M "idiots" without power in 100F weather and HIGH humidity. Story here. Damned "idiots."
You still miss the point. Under your argument, anyone living anywhere is at some risk for natural disaster. That's true. It's sort of like being forced to play Russian Roulette with a loaded gun. There is absolute risk, but if I have to play the game, I would much rather do it with a gun with only one bullet in the magazine, versus one with only a few empty chambers--with somebody busy adding bullets to the empty ones after each spin. That latter game is the one we're playing with people putting themselves in harm's way in overgrown unhealthy forests.

Old 06-30-2012, 01:54 PM
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Mike....I don't think anyone is saying that people can't live wherever thay want to, even in a fire prone forested area, or in a flood prone oceanfront loction. What is being said, is that those who choose to live in such areas, would be less of a drag on society as a whole if they assummed 100% financial responsibility if/when fires or floods occurr, rather than having their losses covered in part by those who chose to live in safer areas. And yes you're right that trouble can and does occurr anywhere and everywhere. Your DC example illustrates that very accurrately.
Old 06-30-2012, 04:04 PM
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Latest figures according to KKCO11News on the De Beque fire:

12,400 acres burned
10% containment
350 firefighters and a call has been made for extra personnel

The De Beque Community Center will be having a meeting at 6p.m. tonight for residents in the area.
Old 06-30-2012, 09:19 PM
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Default Come On Out Soon - and Bring Money!

A posting at 8:10pm Saturday June 30 announces the formation of the Pikes Peak Regional Business Recovery Team to help businesses get back on track after the Waldo Canyon Fire.

Chamber and Economic Development CEO Joe Raso says, "We have businesses, both retailers and restaurants, in Manitou Springs, for example, that are ready to serve customers and are not seeing much traffic. We need people to visit these local establishments to help them survive this disaster," Raso said. "I don't know what the solutions will be, but we have to look at the issues and see if we can come up with solutions for these companies. It is a critical time for tourism and there are areas that are hurting."

The thread also says Hwy 24 may reopen Sunday evening.

Here's the link in the COS Gazette:

Containment now at 45 percent | fire, street, homes - WALDO CANYON FIRE - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
Old 07-01-2012, 07:47 AM
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I noticed someone else asked this but I read through all the posts/responses and didn't see an answer. My son is suppose to be going to Boy Scout summer camp (Camp Chris Dobbins - Elbert, Co. area I believe) in a couple of weeks. My husband and I are concerned what the air quality will be for that area. We are in Texas and not used to the high elevations in Colorado so we know that is already going to be rough on him. What are all of your thoughts?
Old 07-01-2012, 09:19 AM
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As it stands this minute, there may or may not be some smoke in the area. The two big fires that could impact that area are the High Park and, much closer, the Waldo Canyon fire. The High Park fire is pretty much contained and a lot of progress is being made on the Waldo Canyon fire. So, skies might be nice and clear, BUT the whole area remains tinder dry and there remains the possibility, if not probability, that another large fire may start at anytime. It's just that kind of summer, at least so far. There can also be smoke that can come into Colorado from fires hundreds of miles away. There are very major fires burning Utah and Wyoming, too.
Old 07-01-2012, 09:30 AM
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Old 07-01-2012, 09:49 AM
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Awwwwww! That's one for the ages. Thanks, CosmicWizard.
Old 07-01-2012, 09:49 AM
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To those who have scoffed at my assertion that far too many Coloradans were complacent, not believing that a wildfire could threaten their homes--the "Oh, that can't happen here" attitude, I offer this article from the Denver Post:

Urban Coloradans face new vulnerability after wildfires - The Denver Post

It's a pretty chilling article.
Old 07-01-2012, 09:59 AM
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Delta has canceled their 4th of July fireworks show at Confluence Park.
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