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Old 07-22-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Wherabouts Unknown!
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proveick wrote: If we outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

Partially correct. You forgot to mention the government, so I'll rewrite your statement to read as follows: If we outlaw guns only outlaws AND the government will have guns. I am fully convinced that that would not be a good thing.

 
Old 07-22-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Don't put this on guns

There is a reason the founders thought it was very important by putting it as the 2nd amendment. It's also the reason that we were able to form a militia to overthrow the British rule. You may have heard of this thing called the American revolution?
What does that have to do with the rights of mentally unstable individuals to buy assault weapons and use them to shoot up a crowded theatre?

Hint: Many court cases have ruled that all freedoms have limitations.

Example: In 1919 a Supreme Court decision ruled that the First Amendment "would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic". I think most reasonable people could agree with that decision. By the same logic obviously the Second Amendment would not protect that man in buying assault weapons and using them to shoot up the theatre and cause a panic.

Using the Second Amendment to argue for the rights of civilians to unrestrictedly buy military grade weapons, is just demented. It shows the totally desperation of the pro-gun movement and their lack of ability to even intellectual debate the topic.
 
Old 07-22-2012, 04:51 PM
 
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Plus, my understanding is that it is extremely painful. This would have given many an opportunity to escape and others time to restrain him (or just blow his head off). Sorry, couldn't resist.
Sorry but smoke, darkness, automatic gunfire, screaming, chaos and just the surprise factor (remember, lots of people thought this nutcase was part of the opening night "show") would confuse the hell out of a trained person, nevermind the dude who just shoots cans off a fencepost.
 
Old 07-22-2012, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I am sure that there were some school shootings before the University of Texas shootings of 1966. The U.S. Government apparently didn't start recording recordings of such shooting until the horrific killings by Charles Whitman in 1966.
I don't believe the Government specifically tracks school shootings even today. The media does a pretty good job of documenting them though.

You are right that the UT shootings were not the first school shootings. Those have been going on since the beginning of the country. But it was the first of the current wave of school massacres (i.e. Well armed students going to school with the idea of killing as many people as possible. Which is a relatively new concept). Which then picked up in the 1970s and has continued to escalate ever since. Now happening at a rate of several a year.
 
Old 07-22-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Sorry but smoke, darkness, automatic gunfire, screaming, chaos and just the surprise factor (remember, lots of people thought this nutcase was part of the opening night "show") would confuse the hell out of a trained person, nevermind the dude who just shoots cans off a fencepost.
Yep, it makes you wonder what would have happened if he was an actor. Just part of the show, like many people thought. Actor comes out, throws fake smoke bombs into the crowd, and fires a blank shot into the air. Some idiot with a CCP jumps up and starts pumping bullets into the actor.
 
Old 07-22-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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At the end of the day all our debate about this is purely academic because the gun lobby in this country is so powerful that it has legislators on both sides of the aisle whipped to the point where there can be no honest, reasonable discussion about guns.

I personally don't see any use for assault weapons, be it hunting or personal protection. If all the modern-day Wyatt Earps who've asserted that a concealed-carry holder armed with nothing more than a pistol could've taken down this nutjob and his AR-15 are correct then there really is no need for any of us to have an AR-15 or an AKM, right? Logic would say yes, but when it comes to gun talk logic goes out the window (on both sides) and fallacies like the wonderful slippery slope come into play.

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Old 07-22-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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The recent shooting at the movie theater is shocking because it was at the movies. I don' think that has ever happen. Its scary. I wanted to see the next Batman and may not because of it.
A History of Violence in Movie Theaters | NextMovie

Violence at the movies has happened before. It's nothing new.

Did you hear about this: Man charged with hitting 10-year-old who threw popcorn at him in theater - U.S. News

This is a good place to get updates on what's happened/happening: Comprehensive timeline: Aurora Massacre : news
 
Old 07-22-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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If you have time and presence of mind to try to hide under a seat or get away, you have the opportunity to set up and shoot back. This guy was in there shooting for several (LONG) minutes. After the first few seconds of surprise wears off, you have time to act. Or time to die at his hand...your choice.
That is what I was wondering...surely someone (at least one?) person in that theater had a gun on him or her. If so didn't anyone try to shoot him? Isn't that what legal firearms are for....emergencies??
 
Old 07-22-2012, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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Apparently Columbine wasn't enough, on top of it, Colorado now has Platte Canyon, YWAM/New Life, Deer Creek, and this incident in Aurora. The question on the rest of the world's mind is: what's wrong with Colorado? Why does this state, particularly the Denver metro area, have such a disproportionate number of mass shootings compared to the rest of the country (except maybe Virginia and Texas)? Is it something in the water?
This is America!!
 
Old 07-22-2012, 07:50 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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Sorry but smoke, darkness, automatic gunfire, screaming, chaos and just the surprise factor (remember, lots of people thought this nutcase was part of the opening night "show") would confuse the hell out of a trained person, nevermind the dude who just shoots cans off a fencepost.

There was no "automatic gunfire" He did not have a machine gun!!! Nobody, except LE, military and the very very wealthy, can posess machine guns.

He had a common SEMI AUTOMATIC AR15, a gun you can buy at Walmart for god's sake.
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