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Old 08-27-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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wanneroo wrote: Global Warming has already been shown to have been a hoax and all of the numbers manipulated.

It's not a hoax in my neck of the woods, at least not in recent years. Natures numbers are telling the story of a worldwide warm-up. Melting glaciers and icecaps, rising sea levels, new record highs all over the world. Eveything points to a warm-up. No sense arguing about it, becasue only time will tell if this recent warm-up is an abberration or the new normal.
Scientists are already back on the Global Cooling bit which has now been designated "Climate Change".

One thing that is certain is the climate has always changed and always will. I have always asked the global warming apocalyptic believers exactly when Year One was and the earth was perfectly calm with no snowstorms, hurricanes, tornadoes, hot weather, cold weather, wind and so on. 1950 maybe, around when they were born. Most boomers believe the world began with them and will end with them, so it is plausible.

How can you have "above normal" temps when daily data only goes back around 100 years? Statistically it is insignificant.

As we have seen with the larger several hundred year cycles, humans adapted to the changes as they always do. It shows the ignorance of man to think that more regulations and taxes controls the climate. That's a big head if i ever saw one. For one thing they can't even get my weather forecast right 5 days in advance, so I hardly expect these people to be able to predict it 50 years down the road, much less control what it does.

The marxists failed all over the world, so they hijacked the environmental global warming movement and used apocalyptic visions to scare people into accepting their rules and regulations. Their end game is to deindustrialize the first world countries and then to take over industries to use as they see fit. It's their goal to install top down authoritarian government, but by using the "green" movement they can do it gradually so people don't freak out.

Don't believe me? Then look into what Obama's EPA and Department of No Energy have been up to and what their plans are for the second term.

 
Old 08-27-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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Scientists are already back on the Global Cooling bit which has now been designated "Climate Change".

One thing that is certain is the climate has always changed and always will. I have always asked the global warming apocalyptic believers exactly when Year One was and the earth was perfectly calm with no snowstorms, hurricanes, tornadoes, hot weather, cold weather, wind and so on. 1950 maybe, around when they were born. Most boomers believe the world began with them and will end with them, so it is plausible.

How can you have "above normal" temps when daily data only goes back around 100 years? Statistically it is insignificant.

As we have seen with the larger several hundred year cycles, humans adapted to the changes as they always do. It shows the ignorance of man to think that more regulations and taxes controls the climate. That's a big head if i ever saw one. For one thing they can't even get my weather forecast right 5 days in advance, so I hardly expect these people to be able to predict it 50 years down the road, much less control what it does.

The marxists failed all over the world, so they hijacked the environmental global warming movement and used apocalyptic visions to scare people into accepting their rules and regulations. Their end game is to deindustrialize the first world countries and then to take over industries to use as they see fit. It's their goal to install top down authoritarian government, but by using the "green" movement they can do it gradually so people don't freak out.

Don't believe me? Then look into what Obama's EPA and Department of No Energy have been up to and what their plans are for the second term.

Oh good lord, wanneroo, listen to yourself for a second. You sound CRAZY. Get out of your echo chamber if you feel like looking into scientific concepts.

Global warming has been predicted since the days of Arrenhius (Svante Arrhenius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). It's a simple thermodynamic problem, and the only unknowns are how the global warming will translate to weather and how fast the warming occurs since we can only estimate the heat input from burning all the fossil fuels (which are just "stored sunlight"). Back in Arrenhius' day, he did the calculations and said, "ok, we're fine, since we're burning some X amount of coal" where X is small. Well, he did not anticipate the internal combustion engine. It's happening, and the conservative thing to do, if not try to head it off, would be to at least prepare for things like rising oceans and unpredictable weather (*cough* this year's huge drought *cough*).

You're ranting doth protest too much. It's happening, it's scary, and we're going to have to live with it (especially those of us under 35 and our children).
 
Old 08-27-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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Oh good lord, wanneroo, listen to yourself for a second. You sound CRAZY. Get out of your echo chamber if you feel like looking into scientific concepts.

Global warming has been predicted since the days of Arrenhius (Svante Arrhenius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). It's a simple thermodynamic problem, and the only unknowns are how the global warming will translate to weather and how fast the warming occurs since we can only estimate the heat input from burning all the fossil fuels (which are just "stored sunlight"). Back in Arrenhius' day, he did the calculations and said, "ok, we're fine, since we're burning some X amount of coal" where X is small. Well, he did not anticipate the internal combustion engine. It's happening, and the conservative thing to do, if not try to head it off, would be to at least prepare for things like rising oceans and unpredictable weather (*cough* this year's huge drought *cough*).

You're ranting doth protest too much. It's happening, it's scary, and we're going to have to live with it (especially those of us under 35 and our children).
It's not happening and it's not scary. It's not crazy when the facts don't add up. And I'm not talking about "facts" from people like Michael Mann, Mr. Hockey Stick Graph.

In 1986 our local meteorologist at the local TV station was big on global warming. He came to our school and talked about it and showed all these documentaries about how by 2010 the earth would flood and there would be mass hysteria. I started reading up on it and have continued to do so. All of the apocalyptic visions have never come to pass and there isn't any warming to any significant degree, and with man only responsible for 4% of CO2, not enough to change anything anyways.

What I also found with people was a basic understanding of biology. Yes if you inject CO2 into an atmosphere bare of anything else, yes you will get a greenhouse effect. However the earth is a large breathing lung where the plant matter eats CO2 through photosynthesis and as any greenhouse owner knows, adding some CO2 will get your plants to grow faster and larger.

If you examine how the earth works, it is self cleaning and regulating. It may take longer than your lifetime, but the earth is much bigger than you and many of it's cycles are longer than your lifespan.

Like I said, if people are concerned, they exhale CO2 in far greater amounts than any car. They can help save us all by holding their breath.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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wanneroo....when I read most of your posts, I'm unable to hold my breath.....I have to take a DEEP BREATH!

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Old 08-27-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Remember, the Vikings were growing wheat in Iceland one thousand years ago to sustain them on their voyage west.
My friends in Homer and Anchorage, AK had over 30' of snow last winter/spring and record cold. The Nat'l Guard had to come in and help with snow removal.
Yep, I believe in climate change...its constant.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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I live in Denver proper and just noticed the first campaign yard sign in my neighborhood -- and oddly enough, it's a Gary Johnson sign! I think it's neat, especially since Denver is heavily Democratic and I assume most of my neighbors are Democrats, though I don't know for sure, since I don't ask.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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wanneroo....when I read most of your posts, I'm unable to hold my breath.....I have to take a DEEP BREATH!
Oh my and you are expelling an excess of CO2 into the air when you exhale. Think of the children. The seas will rise by 2 millimeters, it will be 2 degrees warmer in 2100, summer will be slightly longer but it all could have been stopped if you all had held your breath.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Remember, the Vikings were growing wheat in Iceland one thousand years ago to sustain them on their voyage west.
My friends in Homer and Anchorage, AK had over 30' of snow last winter/spring and record cold. The Nat'l Guard had to come in and help with snow removal.
Yep, I believe in climate change...its constant.
All the cold stayed north, which actually was nice because we had an easy winter down here and that was a good break not to be snow blowing, shoveling and plowing. The previous winter we were buried in snow.

I had heard about Alaska and northern Canada having a rough winter and so expected it to be an interesting season of Ice Road Truckers and it has been. They are out there driving in -50F temps.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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I conststly hear Republicans and their followers supporting tax cuts for the rich because they are the "job creators". I understand that many medium sized to large private companies have owners that fall into the "rich" bracket and create jobs. I am all for supporting tax cuts for these people.

My problem is with tax cuts for millionaire corporate executives, celebrities and people with "family money". How are these millionaires job creators? And I am talking about direct job creation...not the sales jobs these millionaires help retain by buying yachts, expensive clothing and other luxury goods.
 
Old 08-27-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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As if things coming from the far right can't get any more stupid, the GOP is putting a plank in it's platform to control porn on the internet. This is the party whose followers run their mouth about getting government off our backs and out of our lives...except for that gay marriage thing, except for that pro-choice thing, except for that drug war thing, except for that sex-trade thing, except for controlling just about everything you can think of if it violates the straight-jacket the American Taliban hope to fit everyone into....

The GOP continues to build campaigns around social issues with the intent of sucking billions of dollars out of the pockets of "social" conservatives and then give them nothing in return, as they've done for decades, so much so that the Bush white house referred to Dobson, Robertson, Perkins, et al, as "useful idiots." The recent lunatic remarks from these regressive types is reason alone to vote DEM this year....comments by Akin about rape, and a recent comment by Ryan that rape is a "method of conception."
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