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Old 10-02-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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Today's New York Times ran an article about a less-famous Koch brother (the third one, not the two more well-known of "Koch Brothers" who is trying to arrange a land swap and get public lands deed to his own land, or something. I gather he owns a major employer in the area, a mine, and this is actually his home, or one of them. He is building a historic "Old West town" on his property, using both new construction and the remains of original buildings around the West.
I'd like to ask, what opinions people in that area or people who know about this situation... what do you think? What's going on?
I think I read about a similar situation outside the Black Canyon area outside Montrose- some big money person building on or annexing public land. I'd like to know more.
I think this greedy Koch brother should just stay in his mansion and just bulldoze his money into big pyramids down in his cellar like Scrooge McDuck and NOT provide jobs for hundreds of people and produce tax revenue for the State and Feds...
And when he passes away, he should will his estate to the CATO Institute.......
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:46 PM
 
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Wink Koch this

There is a case to be made on either side of this issue.

It seems in a supposedly free country that private property (as well as privacy, I might add) should be respected. That a person should be left alone to do what they will with themselves and their property. Any infringement on this a slight to our Constitution and the founding principles of this nation.

On the other hand, that laws exist at all evidence that most of us live within societies which operate best with some semblance of them. Any law is a restriction on the individual, and at their most oppressive implementation an assault on everything this nation stands for (in theory). Yet in balance the law can provide a greater degree of safety and even freedom; in example, so able to walk to the mailbox without wondering if one might have to single handedly fight off hoards of Mad Max wannabes.

Which brings us to the Koch brothers. In a variety of ways they provide a good example of how the power of money can be misplaced in this society. In politics, having a far greater say than the average citizen thanks to our corrupt Supreme Court. In the purchase of amusement parks, maybe not.

But just because one has the ability to do something, financially and within the law (they perhaps helped create), is no reason one necessarily should. The same principle would apply to any of us: for instance, eating one dozen and more donuts every day for the next decade maybe not a great idea. Etc. In finances, maybe not signing on to an oversized mortgage unable to repay. Or, on the other end of that equation, offering such "financial instruments" to the unwary and ignorant, even if technically within the law, and otherwise in most every other way wrong.

Per private property, we have less rights with it than before, with surely some of these annexed for no good reason. To a large degree we should be able to tell the government, or anybody else, to butt out. But within practical limits, one probably would not favor their suburban neighbor free to create a Superfund site adjacent to their backyard. Maybe rock concerts 24/7 in what once was a quiet neighborhood. Or perhaps in the position to buy a national forest, or even national park, and clear cut it.

There are, or certainly should be, certain limits. Whether the Koch brothers have exceeded it in this instance I wouldn't know. But no doubt whatsoever they are exactly the kind of guys whose agenda is Koch first, everybody else as afterthought. Someone like that is exactly why some laws have come into effect. The better ones would give most people no cause to complain, and even thankful they exist.

The rest of these statutes should be eliminated.

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Old 10-03-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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Idunn wrote: But just because one has the ability to do something, financially and within the law (they perhaps helped create), is no reason one necessarily should.

This is the crux of the whole matter right here.
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