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Old 08-26-2013, 12:04 AM
 
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Curious that you'd call the interstate system "socialist," although it is taxpayer-paid. Seems to me the ultimate in capitalism- rule by trucking companies and other business interests who wanted it. I admit to far lesser knowledge than Jazz (and many others) about the history of train travel and so on, but I would not call the interstate a socialist experiment.

Rambler, I am glad to hear that you've gotten work- best wishes.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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The interstate highway system is a good example of corporate welfare. It was a handout to the trucking companies, the car makers, the concrete manufactures, the highway construction companies, and THE OIL COMPANIES to name a few that come readily to mind. Most of the population gave it their blessing because it made long trip driving alot easier, and never see it for what it truly is. Not saying it is a bad thing. I use the interstate highways on most of my long trips. But it is corporate welfare nonetheless.

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Old 08-26-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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The interstate highway system is a good example of corporate welfare. It was a handout to the trucking companies, the car makers, the concrete manufactures, the highway construction companies, and THE OIL COMPANIES to name a few that come readily to mind. Most of the population gave it their blessing because it made long trip driving alot easier, and never see it for what it truly is. Not saying it is a bad thing. I use the interstate highways on most of my long trips. But it is corporate welfare nonetheless.
"Corporate welfare" is a politically correct term for nationalist-socialist policies--nationalism-socialism being the economic model that Hitler perfected in Nazi Germany. It amounts to giving government benefits/protection to annointed groups and large corporations in return for them going along with high levels of government intervention in the economy and other redistributionist policies for wealth, along with the necessary erosions of personal freedoms necessary to sustain such policies. Eisenhower bought into the idea of the Interstate system as a method of quickly evacuating US cities in the event of a nuclear attack (a totally laughable concept if one looks at a typical rush hour in a major city), but the Interstate system quickly morphed into a very different bureaucratic monster that strayed completely from that stated goal. (In fact, the Interstates were originally named the "National Defesne Highways," a term that was quickly abandoned.) For any benefit that the Interstates inured to America, those are overshadowed by the fact that they nearly destroyed the rail transportation system in this country (before exploding fuel prices and the drastically increased fuel and labor efficiency of railroad freight transportation reversed the railroads decline), effectively destroyed rail passenger transportation, decimated small town America, and made the US almost hopelessly dependent on oil-guzzling auto and truck transportation--well over half that oil now coming from foreign sources. History will record the Instertate Highway system as one of the most misguided and ultimately suicidal policy decisions ever made by a national government.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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jazzlover wrote: History will record the Instertate Highway system as one of the most misguided and ultimately suicidal policy decisions ever made by a national government.

It could indeed play out that way, but unexpected change has a way of sneaking into the picture and making a mockery of many predictions based on the way things currently are.
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