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Old 01-15-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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wanneroo wrote: "Recovery" is a media fiction crafted by media that is the mouth piece for obama.

"Recovery" is a fiction of whatever party happens to be in power. And before being a mouth piece for Obama, the media was a mouth piece for George Bush ( have you already forgotten how the media helped to sell his very costly war in Iraq? ). This is nothing new under the sun! For better or worse, to the victor belongs the spoils. The media is part of the spoils.

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Old 01-15-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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I've been doing some window shopping, but nothing so far has really jumped out at me. I'm back to square one which for me is Durango. La Plata County has jobs and sooner or later an employer will be stupid enough to hire me! Heh! (Actually they'll be getting a good deal because I have a good work ethic and all the rest.) I've been letting the idea of the difficulty in finding housing there stop me before I even begin
which is stupid. So, back to Craigslist for me.
Well, have you ever looked at any of the Appalachia states running from North Carolina up to Maine?

Here in PA we've got plenty of mountainous terrain, lower taxes than Colorado(3% income tax, $36 car rego, no sales tax on most food and clothing, property taxes that are lower than most places) and the economy is at least as good or probably better than Colorado. Home prices are very reasonable as well.

The Colorado Rockies look more scenic, but in PA we have plenty of water and the weather seasons I feel are more even. I have more fun in PA and I'm not bent over a barrel financially like I am in CO. I've had some price sticker shock this week being out here in CO.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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I grew up in PA, so I will vouch for wanneroo's assessment of PA. It's actually a very nice state, except for the humid summers. If the air was drier, I'd consider moving back to PA. No grand mountain vistas like Colorado, but very scenic nonetheless.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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IIRC, PA does not tax pensions. I considered it, but wanted out of the humidity and oldness of the east.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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The Colorado Rockies look more scenic, but in PA we have plenty of water and the weather seasons I feel are more even. I have more fun in PA
Probably better fishing too, would you say?
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Well, have you ever looked at any of the Appalachia states running from North Carolina up to Maine?
I was born in Kentucky and spent the first part of my childhood there. I still have distant family members (2nd cousins and stuff) who reside in the "bluegrass" state. I like Kentucky and Kentucky, W. Virginia and the like DO have some pretty nice mountains. You can actually grow stuff back there and I could have a nice veggie garden which would be a plus. Afraid I'd get homesick for the Rockies, though.

A move back East is a moot point for me right now, though. I just flat out don't have the money. I need to find a job here first and then start saving.

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Here in PA we've got plenty of mountainous terrain, lower taxes than Colorado(3% income tax, $36 car rego, no sales tax on most food and clothing, property taxes that are lower than most places) and the economy is at least as good or probably better than Colorado. Home prices are very reasonable as well.

The Colorado Rockies look more scenic, but in PA we have plenty of water and the weather seasons I feel are more even. I have more fun in PA and I'm not bent over a barrel financially like I am in CO. I've had some price sticker shock this week being out here in CO.
I've visited PA a couple of times back in the day. It seems like a nice place. But if I were to move back East, I'd go to where I have some roots and that would be Kentucky.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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Today's Grand Junction Daily Sentinel's headline is "Building momentum-3,321 construction permits were issued locally last year." I read that article while having breakfast at one of my favorite mom and pop restaurants downtown. Sorry I didn't take the paper home or otherwise to provide a link but if you google maybe they can provide a link or two to today's story.

Well, the last time time I checked unemployment figures a couple months ago it was still near 9%. John Davis, who owns Blue Star Industries, a local home builder, said in the article that "2013 is going to be a much better year."

Building hundreds of houses. Pfffft. In a different Grand Junction thread on this forum I remember telling a story about a company who brought hundreds of jobs to the area. ONE company -hundreds of jobs. In the mid 80's they had just that.Hamilton Sundstrand.

I can't stress enough how gawdawful this economy was in 1986. This area was desperate but landed a company who provided decent jobs and decent salaries. Sundstrand was/is a defense contractor. They were given land, an empty industrial building, and the city honchos were thrilled when they came into town. Hell, they named a street for them- 2800 Sundstrand Way. This wasn't some $9.00 (or in this case $6.00 an hour) outfit. This company was involved with aircraft parts, aircraft engines, equipment calibration, etc. This company provided good paying jobs and I mean wages in the $35,000 to $70,000 range. Then from out of nowhere Sundstrand decided that they were outsourcing their jobs to Singapore. Nice- nottt! This was in 2004.

I don't know why the city honchos of that time didn't didn't pursue other companies. Instead, like what happened from the early 90's to that date, housing and housing and housing resulted. We need industry other than houses, I don't know, maybe I'm not looking at this clearly. According to the story, Davis also stated "the areas hottest market is building homes in the $300,000 to $400,000 range. Well, people who live in those type places certainly aren't hitting the Job Service centers. And one more quick point regarding Davis-he also stated that the next challenge will be to find qualified tradespeople to fill those positions, and there is a reason for it. The article stated that 90% of the builders in the area have either gone out of business or relocated. I would tend to side with relocation. But 90% doesn't sound right to me.

Rambler, I wish I had an answer for ya. The only suggestion I can make is visit the Local Job Service center, talk to one of the counselors, and see what you can come up with. I've got two neighbors who have only been able to work about a year and a half since the 2008 election as they got caught in the Halliburton situation. A good friend of mine is up to $10.00 an hour working at McDonalds as a maintenance man. I hate to be so dour in this post, I hesitated even opining here. I hope you can find something though. Good luck!

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Old 01-15-2013, 06:25 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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DOUBLE H, I don't consider your post dour. You are just describing the current situation in GJ. Much of your post can be applied to the rest of the West Slope, as well. If people want to move out here, they need to know what they may be up against.

We have $300,000 plus homes here in Cortez. They mostly belong to people who made their money elsewhere and are looking for a good place to retire. I wouldn't retire here myself because you have to make a minimum 100 mile round trip to do ANYTHING. People go to Durango for medical treatment much beyond what their primary care can provide. Anything really serious requires a trip to Albuquerque or Grand Junction - about a 4 hour drive either way. Same thing if you're looking for any kind of cultural fix. People drive to Durango, Santa Fe and Albuquerque to hear music or the Opera, etc.

I myself have to drive to Durango tomorrow so they can take my vital signs at the office of a specialist. So, I get to spend two hours driving, pay for all that gas, give up an entire afternoon of my time - just so the nurse in the specialist's office can put a blood pressure cuff on my arm and inform me that my blood pressure is normal. Grrrrrr!

So plenty of wide open spaces that you'll spend hours driving across, few jobs, and an agricultural base stressed by drought. NOT a happy situation out here.

No wonder the coyotes are howling!

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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How'd you wind up in Cortez in the first place?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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How'd you wind up in Cortez in the first place?
It seemed like a good idea at the time. LOL

Cortez has cheap housing and a friend turned me on to a job here. Things were fine for a couple of years until there was a change in management where I worked. They decided to save money by cutting back on staff, and I was the one with the least seniority.

So, here I am stuck in Cortez with no money and no job. I'm hoping things will open up come spring and I'll be able to ramble on and find work in a town with a better economy than poor old Cortez.
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