03-21-2013, 09:57 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't see it as marriage equality, no. But a step in the right direction? Oh yes, in many ways. What, in my opinion, is more important than the actual rights conveyed by this to gay couples in our state right now, is that another state in the country has raised its hand and said, "We support equal rights for these folks." In my view, eventually, when enough states are clearly on board, the federal laws are more likely to change to accomodate social progress.
"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all."
One thing I haven't addressed yet in my posts here is the whole business of the material end of things, how gay couples that are legally entitled to all of the benefits of married straight couples could take a bite out of governmental financial systems that are already in trouble. I'm talking about the tax savings, the estate taxes that wouldn't be paid, and more significantly, Social Security benefits that spouses are eligible for.
It is my position and opinion that our elected officials have badly mismanaged public funds overall for a long time. They will never consent to a thorough and public audit of the money we put in their hands conducted by an unbiased third party and they refuse to be held properly accountable by the public. While technically we're to blame for having voted them in, the entire electoral system is tainted when the populace is brainwashed into believing that we must choose between two parties, two (usually unpalatable) choices... When we've got legislators who can pass laws giving themselves raises and benefiting their business interests, it seems foolish to me to whine because some small percentage of the population wants equal access to programs and benefits that they paid into with their tax dollars their entire lives, just like the rest of us. It's penny wise, pound foolish, crying about a drop in the bucket...when the entire bottom of the bucket is already blown out.
I also find it frustrating that it takes so much effort and fight to get something like marriage equality through, I feel like this is common sense and our collective mental energies should be applied to greater societal issues that more deeply affect all of us...such as for instance the quality (or lack thereof) of our public schools. I'm ready for gay rights to be a given, something nobody has to worry about, and to move on and fix OTHER stuff already.
03-21-2013, 10:00 AM
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chessgeek
BTW, congrats on the sensible gun registration laws that passed today.
If it isn't repealed by the courts, it'll be repealed by the Republican legislature that will be elected in 2014 as part of the incredible conservative backlash that has been forming over the course of the gun debate here. Legislators are being recalled, initiatives are being placed on the ballot, and legislative Democrats will be looking for another job after next November.
Democrats won't even get a victory lap, which makes me wonder whether this was a subversive Republican plot to take back the legislature.
I'm only joking, of course.
Maybe.
03-21-2013, 10:04 AM
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I think people get to hung up on what they call it "civil union" versus "marriage". As long as I get the same rights I don't care if they call it "civil unions" and in Colorado on the state and local level this will give me all the same rights. Now Colorado can not impact the federal law we need the supreme court for that so they are doing all they can in Denver to give the GLBT community equal rights here and that is why, for me anyway, today is a historic day.
03-21-2013, 10:06 AM
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I'm generally frustrated, but you're right, after what has happened in Colorado over the past few years, I do hate the Democrats (more or less).
I'm just about to start a profession where it'll be my job to overturn the Democrats' egregiously unconstitutional legislation. It's actually the reason I jumped at it. That probably won't scare a lot of liberals in this state. But it should--not because I'm a particularly fearsome fellow, but rather because I'm one of a legion of individuals in Colorado and nationally who have dedicated their lives to preventing left-wing policy and ideas from destroying what is great about this state.
Far from scaring conservatives away, Colorado has become a bastion of civil rebellion.
Boo-yah.
03-21-2013, 10:08 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Has anybody called Uncle Ted? He should totally get an invite to this party...
(Sorry, couldn't help it. My husband has been blaring "Don't Tread on Me" for the last month.
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I'm just about to start a profession where it'll be my job to overturn the Democrats' egregiously unconstitutional legislation. It's actually the reason I jumped at it. That probably won't scare a lot of liberals in this state. But it should--not because I'm a particularly fearsome fellow, but rather because I'm one of a legion of individuals in Colorado and nationally who have dedicated their lives to preventing left-wing policy and ideas from destroying what is great about this state.
Far from scaring conservatives away, Colorado has become a bastion of civil rebellion.
Boo-yah.
03-21-2013, 10:10 AM
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I'm just about to start a profession where it'll be my job to overturn the Democrats' egregiously unconstitutional legislation. It's actually the reason I jumped at it. That probably won't scare a lot of liberals in this state. But it should--not because I'm a particularly fearsome fellow, but rather because I'm one of a legion of individuals in Colorado and nationally who have dedicated their lives to preventing left-wing policy and ideas from destroying what is great about this state.
Far from scaring conservatives away, Colorado has become a bastion of civil rebellion.
Boo-yah.
Civil Union is not a liberal cause even people like Bill O Reilly support it and he is not seen as left. Its more of a generational issue as polls show the majority of people from Generation X down support it.
03-21-2013, 10:21 AM
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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cowboyxjon
Who said I was a Republican?
I'm one of those independents who tends to lean Libertarian, but doesn't really have a home politically. I'm not one of those single-issue gays, like most of my friends who don't follow politics other than turning out to vote for Democrats because "they like the gays."
To me, there are other issues that are higher priority. To me, gay marriage (which is going to happen anyway, eventually), or civil unions (in this case) is not worth all of the garbage that comes with having Democrats in power. I don't want higher taxes to fund a broken education system, I don't want "gun safety bills", I don't want to accommodate illegal aliens, I hate the fact that business, corporations, and wealth are generally viewed negatively, etc etc etc.
I'm entitled to my opinion, obviously, but it's not a cut and dry, black and white issue for me. It's not necessarily that Republicans = good, either. I'm generally frustrated, but you're right, after what has happened in Colorado over the past few years, I do hate the Democrats (more or less).
I should have specified that I wasn't labeling you a Republican since you didn't say so
I'm not 100% with the Democrats on every issue, but I know which party is going to be on the side of any progress for gay rights and which party will fight to the end to prevent any gay rights. And I don't see Colorado as a high tax state, I support public education (don't see it as broken), reasonable gun control, and reasonable regulation. But then how any one person views "reasonable" varies. And I don't believe gay marriage would ever come to be if there were no Democrats.
03-21-2013, 10:25 AM
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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I'm just about to start a profession where it'll be my job to overturn the Democrats' egregiously unconstitutional legislation. It's actually the reason I jumped at it. That probably won't scare a lot of liberals in this state. But it should--not because I'm a particularly fearsome fellow, but rather because I'm one of a legion of individuals in Colorado and nationally who have dedicated their lives to preventing left-wing policy and ideas from destroying what is great about this state.
Far from scaring conservatives away, Colorado has become a bastion of civil rebellion.
Boo-yah.
Yeah, good luck with that
Wouldn't it just be easier for you to move to Texas?
03-21-2013, 10:51 AM
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denverian
Yeah, good luck with that
Wouldn't it just be easier for you to move to Texas?
Why move when you can change it?
Conservatives in Colorado aren't going anywhere. The legislature is quite a bit to the left of your average Coloradan, so it makes my job a little easier. I actually heard an 80-some-year-old lady tell Michael Brown that her family wants to move her closer to them, but she's refusing to leave Colorado until she has the chance to vote Democrats out of office.
So we're starting to experience a conservative backlash. I wouldn't want to miss
that . Besides, the left is targeting Texas in exactly the same way that they've been targeting Colorado. Colorado has the opportunity to show the way for Texas, Arizona, and the rest of the country what it means to take back your government when it is hijacked by gerrymandering, well-monied liberals.
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03-21-2013, 12:03 PM
Location: Denver Colorado
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GoneNative
I'm just about to start a profession where it'll be my job to overturn the Democrats' egregiously unconstitutional legislation. It's actually the reason I jumped at it. That probably won't scare a lot of liberals in this state. But it should--not because I'm a particularly fearsome fellow, but rather because I'm one of a legion of individuals in Colorado and nationally who have dedicated their lives to preventing left-wing policy and ideas from destroying what is great about this state.
Far from scaring conservatives away, Colorado has become a bastion of civil rebellion.
Boo-yah.
All your extreme right wing distorted posts on this site are designed to scare liberals from moving here.
How's that been working out for you? lol.. this state is transforming blue faster than just about anywhere..anyway good luck with those lofty ambitions of yours. You do reallize you are stopping a tidal wave with a spoon don't you?
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)