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Old 04-03-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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I'm not here to argue that alcohol is safe and weed not. In fact, I'd agree that it's quite the opposite.

I'm skeptical of the long term effects of weed unlike some of its proponents who say it will not damage your lungs.

I know alcohol is dangerous. I've learned the danger of booze personally since the age of 10. For the last 30 years, the State of Colorado and myself have considered my abstinence a good idea. I've been continuously sober the last 10 years and have been seeking recovery from it intensly for the last 20.

I think I'm well qualified to consider that some folks are responsible drinkers, some hard drinkers, and some real alcoholics. It would make sense that the same could hold for mj.

I would go so far as to suggest that some folks could probably safely substitute weed for booze. Not I. I personally have found a natural way to raise my consciousness.

When I mentioned the weed-related death, I give the family of the deceased my condolences and mention it in the spirit of finding out what went wrong and how to fix it. In other words, are edibles potentially dangerous?
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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I'm not here to argue that alcohol is safe and weed not. In fact, I'd agree that it's quite the opposite.

I'm skeptical of the long term effects of weed unlike some of its proponents who say it will not damage your lungs.

I know alcohol is dangerous. I've learned the danger of booze personally since the age of 10. For the last 30 years, the State of Colorado and myself have considered my abstinence a good idea. I've been continuously sober the last 10 years and have been seeking recovery from it intensly for the last 20.

I think I'm well qualified to consider that some folks are responsible drinkers, some hard drinkers, and some real alcoholics. It would make sense that the same could hold for mj.

I would go so far as to suggest that some folks could probably safely substitute weed for booze. Not I. I personally have found a natural way to raise my consciousness.

When I mentioned the weed-related death, I give the family of the deceased my condolences and mention it in the spirit of finding out what went wrong and how to fix it. In other words, are edibles potentially dangerous?
That's a very good question and IMO a better perspective on it than I was interpreting you to have from your previous posts.

My 2 cents edibles are not necessarily dangerous. Like alcohol some have bad mental reactions to marijuana and/or feel it's effects more strongly than others. So if that is true for you and you take a large quantity of THC it can hit you hard and your mental state could be substantially worsened.

With edibles the quality control when it comes to quantity of THC has already been proven by the DP to be inconsistent, and the state should try to accelerate it's testing plans that are supposed to be implemented this fall. Based on those tests the DP published the package for edibles could say 100 MG of THC and have less than 1mg or more than 150mg. Inconsistencies in the product obviously can lead to someone taking much more than they intended to.

Additionally the industry should stop putting multiple doses in a single thing. For example right now you buy a candy bar it may have 100 mg of THC, Brownies have 50-100 mg, Drinks 70-100, etc . Smoking about half a gram of dispensary marijuana by yourself amounts to about 25 mg of THC in your system. Only heavy users smoke about a half a gram at once by themselves so it should definitely be less than 25 mg of THC.

Most advice out there says the amount you should look for (unless you have a high tolerance) is about 10 mg of THC. Unfortunately that message is not always getting to tourists and newer consumers. Instead of relying on labels and dispensary workers to get that message out there they should focus on what people intuitively do, and that is put a dose in a single item. If heavy users want more they can buy something small like gummies/caramels/etc. and consume several. But for tourists who are new to marijuana consumption a single brownie should contain a single recommended dose.

With the correct predictable dose of THC those who react poorly to marijuana will be able to handle it better than they would today, and learn that marijuana is not for them without something tragic happening.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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Now we can take "Marijuana has never killed anyone" off the table.
Marijuana has never been the primary cause of death. Of course jumping out of a tall building will kill you, regardless of how much THC is in your system.

But lets blame the pot.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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Most people would consider me the last to defend MJ, but I would have to suspect that alcohol was also involved in this incident. Way back in my college days, I knew a couple of guys who could drink and not have issues and could smoke MJ and not have issues, but when they used both together, both guys could turn into pretty nasty, crazy people. My personal observation is that more people turn nasty/crazy/violent when drunk than the number when high on MJ, but mixing the two I think is a poor idea, and way too many people do.

"Colorado"'s statement is meaningless. If MJ or alcohol or heroin or Meth mentally impaired a person enough that they jumped out of a tall building when they wouldn't have otherwise, then it certainly would have had something to do with their death. If we use Colorado's logic, alcohol shouldn't be blamed when a drunk driver kills somebody with a automobile because sober people cause automobile fatalities, too.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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"Colorado"'s statement is meaningless. If MJ or alcohol or heroin or Meth mentally impaired a person enough that they jumped out of a tall building when they wouldn't have otherwise, then it certainly would have had something to do with their death. If we use Colorado's logic, alcohol shouldn't be blamed when a drunk driver kills somebody with a automobile because sober people cause automobile fatalities, too.
Alcohol can be the primary cause of death. Quickly from repository failure, or slowly via crisis of the liver.

When someone gets behind the wheel and kills someone or themselves I don't blame the Alcohol. I blame the person who, of their own free will, got behind the wheel drunk. Alcohol was a factor, but it's not the primary cause of death.

Same in this case - cannabis *may* have been a factor, but it was not the primary cause of death. Case in point, pot and humans have been around forever, but 99.99999999999% of the time they don't go and jump out a window.

So yes, we're still back to square one. Marijuana has never killed anyone. And I don't disagree that it can be a factor (what can't), but it is never the primary cause.

I mean if someone drops 2,000 lb of cannabis on a persons head, do we proclaim that Marijuana kills?

Pi$$ poor journalism. It's nothing more than media click bait.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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Couple observations: I've renewed my insurance twice since Amendment 64 passed and there have been no increases. I have not heard anything in almost a year and a half about increased accidents. There is also the possibility that accidents will go down because more people will be staying home to enjoy a beer and a bowl instead of going out to bars and driving home.

As mentioned, edibles tend to be packaged as multiple doses, one small brownie can be meant for 4-6 doses.
Also edibles don't cause an immediate buzz, seems like it takes an hour or more to feel anything, as opposed to smoking where the buzz is "right away". So it is possible that someone that has no experience with edibles would eat a 1/4 brownie and an hour later not feel anything, so would eat more. Also they tend to be very tasty which encourages having seconds.

A small but certain percentage of people will abuse alcohol and become less productive members of society.
A small but certain percentage of people will abuse porn and video games and become less productive.
And yes a small percentage of people will abuse MJ. But the majority of people can enjoy a drink or MJ and still be productive members of society.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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My company is looking for a server/network person in Aurora if anyone is looking for a job in CO.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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Looking at maps online I can't find Nederland, I'm guessing though if it was in the Denver post it is around Denver. I don't mind traveling to get to work, I will probably have to anyway since I'd really like to have some land (an acre or two to start) when I first move there. I know none of it will be easy, but I'd really like to start a legitimate business when I can.

I found Nederland and see that the closest city is Boulder.
Have you moved to Colorado yet? Is it nice there, we are wanting to move there as well and have been well before Mary Jane became legal. I am curious as to how your situation worked out, we are planning a trip in August, and possibly another in January or so.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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My company is looking for a server/network person in Aurora if anyone is looking for a job in CO.

It's a shame that I went into law instead of tech. I could have traveled around working in fun networked environments. As it is, although I live in FL and want to move to CO so much, I have no job lined up in CO and would never qualify for much. Oh well.

Did you find your server/network person yet, I'm curious anyway?
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Old 07-11-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Default Embrace the freedom to choose.

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Seems we get many of these threads now where the most important thing is smoking cannabis, which is pretty much what I expected. Work and productivity are things of the past. Good luck Colorado.
Yes if there is weed people are just laying lazy in the street. what a moron. oh beer to, and cigarettes, oh and candy, yep work productivity are things of the past. Humans are out of control.

I cant stand these judgmental cattle comments.

So, who cares why someone wants to move here, weather, looks, grandma, weed, .. Shouldn't we embrace the fact that Colorado has voted to let humans make some decisions on there own? That filling cages with humans is torture.

I dont care what people do or why as long as they don't hurt people or potentially hurt people.
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