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Old 03-19-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
News for you: 47% is still a minority. Unless you are going to appeal to a broader audience with bipartisan support for reasonable gun control laws, you are going to continue to lose.
I could care less about appealing to people opposed to the 2nd Amendment and hence the Bill of Rights. Those people to me are already lost. Those people feel we owe them an explanation for having those rights and as far as I'm concerned they can go pound sand.

If the numbers are 47% in regards to gun ownership, they are higher now. I've been buying guns and ammo and have been to many shops and shows recently and they are absolutely jammed and I'm seeing a lot of these people who are openly buying their first gun.

 
Old 03-19-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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I am now a criminal. For the first time in my recorded life, I am ashamed to be a Coloradan. Shame on you Colorado legislators. Thanks Mike.
I am ashamed as well. And disgusted.

Looks like these bills will get signed into law and they'll do nothing about nothing except impose more costs and regulations on those that mind their own business.

Magpul says they will make their first magazine outside Colorado within 30 days and when it is said and done, hundreds of people will lose their jobs, but hundreds of others in the "free states" will gain them.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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But the 2nd Amendment clearly states the "right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms..." National Guard is a function of government, so a rule banning non-national guard members from owning a gun violates the 2nd Amendment.
BTW the Second Amendment states that "the people" have the right to keep and bear arms . The National Guard did not exist until later in the 19th Century. Militias and the National Guard are totally different entities.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I almost just repeated my whole stance in different words...but it's redundant and off point so instead...

Some have spoken about "I'm now a criminal" or whatever, can anyone here (if it's not too much hassle) tell me what measures are still alive, where they are at in the legislative process, and the Reader's Digest version of what effect they have on gun owners? I know I could Google it myself but I'm hoping that someone who is following this closely already can toss the info out there faster than I can sift through search results. Anyone?

Thanks in advance.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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This is a turning point in Colorado's history - GUN CONTROL in Colorado...unbelievable. I thought Colorado was a renegade state....no longer, sadly. These gun control measures will not do a thing to decrease gun-related crimes, but that is NOT what this is about...this is about Western Socialist policy...government control over the people...chopping at the Constitution/Bill of Rights (i.e. our only protection from the government). Whatever happened to the notion of being suspicious of "big brother" and "power to the people" - now people just line up at the voting polls to give away their rights. We should ALL be voting to secure our rights...instead of fearing those around us which just scare us into running to the government and begging them to please pass laws to protect us....Who is going to protect us from them? Wake up, people, this is not about liberal vs. conservative....this is about government control...when is it enough? I pray we don't give too many of our rights away that we are left at the mercy of the govt. If that ever happens, God help us!
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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Agreed.
If 2014 doesnt change anything come to Indiana your gun rights will NOT be infringed upon in our state.
Heck our dysfunctional neighbor Illinois is complaining that Indiana has too lax of gun laws. Ironically its the ONLY state that doesnt allow concealed carry and Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and the highest homicide rate.
Maybe Colorado should complain that Wyoming has too lax of gun laws too
1. Illinois is "complaining" about your lax gun laws because it makes it easier for criminals to hop over the border and acquire guns....sometimes illegally....and then commit crimes in Illinois. So, when you state this LITERALLY right before you deride Chicago for its high homicide, you are committing a huge, huge logical fallacy.

2. Chicago does not have the highest homicide. No. Not by a long shot. I know you don't like sources, but please look it up. It's not even that much higher than your beloved Indianapolis's, where gun laws are much more lax, and Indianapolis's is considerably higher than many, many cities where gun laws are more strict. So at least be consistent in your argument, please...
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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If gun owners need background checks and id's, so do voters.
We have the technology for a National ID card, we should do it. IIRC, the modern Army ID card has a chip that even carries one's medical/dental records.

I'm a bit sick of the "can't do it because of privacy laws" BS from the ACLU and "privacy" experts. Running the country efficiently, to include law enforcement, medical (to include STDs), driver's licenses, background checks, criminal history, SSN, credit checks, TSA check at airports, voting, etc, seems to necessitate such an ID card. State boundaries are meaningless now that we have interstate highways and airplanes at 500 MPH. If our banks can check our credit card balance from just about any retail location in the world, we sure as hell can have a National Photo ID card w/chip for scores of everyday uses. Encourage it via a tax break and get on with it. Yes, I'd be first in line for such a card.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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We have the technology for a National ID card, we should do it. IIRC, the modern Army ID card has a chip that even carries one's medical/dental records.

I'm a bit sick of the "can't do it because of privacy laws" BS from the ACLU and "privacy" experts. Running the country efficiently, to include law enforcement, medical (to include STDs), driver's licenses, background checks, criminal history, SSN, credit checks, TSA check at airports, voting, etc, seems to necessitate such an ID card. State boundaries are meaningless now that we have interstate highways and airplanes at 500 MPH. If our banks can check our credit card balance from just about any retail location in the world, we sure as hell can have a National Photo ID card w/chip for scores of everyday uses. Encourage it via a tax break and get on with it. Yes, I'd be first in line for such a card.
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: 5280 above liquid
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
We have the technology for a National ID card, we should do it. IIRC, the modern Army ID card has a chip that even carries one's medical/dental records.

I'm a bit sick of the "can't do it because of privacy laws" BS from the ACLU and "privacy" experts. Running the country efficiently, to include law enforcement, medical (to include STDs), driver's licenses, background checks, criminal history, SSN, credit checks, TSA check at airports, voting, etc, seems to necessitate such an ID card. State boundaries are meaningless now that we have interstate highways and airplanes at 500 MPH. If our banks can check our credit card balance from just about any retail location in the world, we sure as hell can have a National Photo ID card w/chip for scores of everyday uses. Encourage it via a tax break and get on with it. Yes, I'd be first in line for such a card.
And what do you suggest if said ID card, with all your information, is stolen or lost?

Hackers are extremely savvy and if you're carrying your ID card they can easily make a device that will be able to scan and hack the data within the chip.

I don't want all my personal data that susceptible to theft.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO - Capitol Hill
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Originally Posted by iknowftbll View Post
I'm surprised that nobody has started a thread to discuss these proposed laws. For those of you who are not familiar:

House Bill 1224 limits ammunition capacity to 15 rounds.

House Bill 1226 banned concealed carry permits on college campuses and was killed by its sponsor.

House Bill 1228 imposed a fee for background checks.

House Bill 1229 proposes universal background checks, including private sales and transfers.

Senate Bill 195 bans online certification for concealed carry permits, requiring people to attend in person.

Senate Bill 196 holds manufacturers and sellers of semiautomatic weapons liable for violence committed with them and was killed by its sponsor.
Got zero problem with any of those, except that the last seems a little over the top.
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