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Old 03-22-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by wanneroo View Post
There are currently 25000 firearms laws in this country. The law themselves often don't even know the law.

Yet they keep passing more laws and don't even enforce many of the ones they already have.
Roo....You're making too much sense....That confuses to gun grabbers......errr...Keep up the good work..!

 
Old 03-22-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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The point I am making everyone should understand is I am not here to debate the numbers of people that do this, but that whether people want to be legal or illegal in regards to complying with laws, the technology, parts, barrels, plans and equipment exist to crank out millions of firearms if need be and if people want to work around the law they can. They might open themselves up to committing a felony, but felons already don't care do they?
We have laws against murder and speeding, and while some may ignore them, I prefer to live in a society which has those laws, which are generally obeyed and enforced.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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We have laws against murder and speeding, and while some may ignore them, I prefer to live in a society which has those laws, which are generally obeyed and enforced.
Gun laws are generally obeyed and enforced, but in this day of social media and news it only takes 1 nut out of 300,000,000 people to go on a shooting spree and cause widespread panic.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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I don't have a problem with back ground checks. Will it be 100% no then again nothing is but I do think there are certain people who should not have a gun.
And they already are prohibited under law from owning them, so how is passing more laws going to change anything? By your own admission, you know HB 1229 won't work.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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And they already are prohibited under law from owning them, so how is passing more laws going to change anything? By your own admission, you know HB 1229 won't work.
It makes the background checks stronger and I don't have a issue with that.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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It makes the background checks stronger and I don't have a issue with that.
NO IT DOESN'T!!! Where the hell are you getting this info? All it DOES is force background checks on face to face transactions, i.e, me selling you a gun.

In no way whatsoever, does it strengthen the scope or rigidity of the background check, in fact, Colorado ALREADY goes way overboard. After the Columbine shooting, the state passed a law mandating that on top of the federal NICS background check (which every state uses), that the CBI must also conduct their own background check at the state level.

It has been law for 13 years, and so has the requirement that even private transactions at a gun show, be forced to go through a FFL for transfer. This law did NOTHING, let me reiterate, NOTHING, to ensure public safety, all it did was create a giant cluster **** of backlogs, and almost every dealer in the state refuses to perform private background checks, because according to the law, the maximum they can charge the customer is $10, which is not worth their time, so tell me, what is the law abiding gun owner supposed to do? That's right, either keep the gun forever, or become a criminal.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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NO IT DOESN'T!!! Where the hell are you getting this info? All it DOES is force background checks on face to face transactions, i.e, me selling you a gun.

In no way whatsoever, does it strengthen the scope or rigidity of the background check, in fact, Colorado ALREADY goes way overboard. After the Columbine shooting, the state passed a law mandating that on top of the federal NICS background check (which every state uses), that the CBI must also conduct their own background check at the state level.

It has been law for 13 years, and so has the requirement that even private transactions at a gun show, be forced to go through a FFL for transfer. This law did NOTHING, let me reiterate, NOTHING, to ensure public safety, all it did was create a giant cluster **** of backlogs, and almost every dealer in the state refuses to perform private background checks, because according to the law, the maximum they can charge the customer is $10, which is not worth their time, so tell me, what is the law abiding gun owner supposed to do? That's right, either keep the gun forever, or become a criminal.
House Bill 1229, would require a background check for any transfer of a firearm except in certain instances such as those involving antique firearms or gifts between immediate family members

The link: Bill requiring background checks for private gun sales clears committee - The Denver Post

I don't have a problem with this.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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And that wasn't already law? The government has no business being involved in private commerce.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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You don't have a problem with it, because you don't realize it leads to registration.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 04:42 PM
Status: "Beach time!" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Fredericksburg/Virginia Beach, VA
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Originally Posted by ryanek9freak View Post
You don't have a problem with it, because you don't realize it leads to registration.
He doesn't have a problem with it because the rights being violated are not rights he exercises so it doesn't matter to him.
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