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Old 06-09-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO - Capitol Hill
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Good or bad, secession is in our DNA as a country. We were born secessionists. I think secession talks will get louder as politics gets even more polarized. I think some will actually happen. It might happen in CO. Why not?
Money.

Will never happen.

Get a grip folks.

Secession? Creating new states?
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Money.

Will never happen.

Get a grip folks.

Secession? Creating new states?
WY, ND, AK, and Tex could afford it... (but it will never happen)

I know, very tough for some to imagine that RED states have wealth, and the INTELLIGENT leadership to fund great schools, community services, healthcare...
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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WY, ND, AK, and Tex could afford it... (but it will never happen)

I know, very tough for some to imagine that RED states have wealth, and the INTELLIGENT leadership to fund great schools, community services, healthcare...
What makes this country so great is that we are the United States. Just look at Europe. The same holds true for Colorado. What makes us a great state is the diversity from the plains to the front range to the mountains and the western slope. Yes we have our regional differences but we need to work together to help every region shine so this state can continue to be a great place to live.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO - Capitol Hill
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WY, ND, AK, and Tex could afford it... (but it will never happen)

I know, very tough for some to imagine that RED states have wealth, and the INTELLIGENT leadership to fund great schools, community services, healthcare...

No they couldn't. Every state is heavily subsidized by the federal government whether you like it or not.

Refusing that money means drastically reduced services. No state could self sustain for very long.

Intelligent leadership can't overcome drastic shortfalls, short of going back to the days of the Wild West.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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No they couldn't. Every state is heavily subsidized by the federal government whether you like it or not.

Refusing that money means drastically reduced services. No state could self sustain for very long.

Intelligent leadership can't overcome drastic shortfalls, short of going back to the days of the Wild West.
Agree. Imagine what the lack of current Federal agriculture subsidies, crop insurance, etc, means to a county like Weld that is a huge ag producer.

Suppose we just lop off the eastern 75 miles of COLO and give it to KS & NE. No change in the numbers of House and Senate seats. KS stays red. COLO forever blue. Repeal COLO TABOR. Probably affects water rights from the Arkansas River. Does Kansas have "pioneer" license plates? Hah!
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Burlington, Colorado
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Suppose we just lop off the eastern 75 miles of COLO and give it to KS & NE. No change in the numbers of House and Senate seats. KS stays red. COLO forever blue.
Where do we sign up?
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: The Berk in Denver, CO USA
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The Silly State of Dum*****istan - ColoradoPols.com

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As background, I'm a fifth-generation Coloradan. My great-great grandfather homesteaded in Phillips County in the late 1800's; the next five generations have called Yuma County home. I grew up on our family ranch in southern Yuma County and graduated from Idalia High School, a small, rural community of 100 people. I spent the vast majority of my adult life in Yuma county. We're blessed with an abundance of natural resources in Yuma County. Our most significant resource: a vast ocean of underground water known as the "Ogallala Aquifer'; a resource that turned the prairie sandhills north of the Republican River and the vast stretches of dryland wheat south of the river into one of the most productive breadbaskets in the United States.
There is a LOT more.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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As someone who grew up in Western NY, I find this conversation funny. Imagine being in a state where the entirety of attention is focused 400 miles from where you live? I guess those living in Cortez would understand! I don't think I knew a single person who didn't want to lop off that entire corner of the state (NYC). At least in NY the divide would have been easy, rather than the island situation we have here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Would love to see Colorado become like California with a Democratic supermajority. Many rural people tend to vote against themselves/Republican, low wages, anti-labour, etc. and the US needs far less of that to exit the Plutocrat Turnpike we've been on. Granted, Colorado Dems are conservative, but there is promotion of progressive energy development, gun control, support for increased educational funding, etc.
That is one difference that liberals and conservatives will never agree on, liberals think that voting for less government hand outs is a horrible thing, while conservatives understand that taking from someone else to be given to you is wrong and should not be done. I personally am a libertarian, and think anybody willing to let the government solve all their problems are also willing to give up all their rights.
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Reading that article is strikes me as a guy using the federal funding as something those counties are getting from the state, also the green energy push so far appears to be short term improvements, the companies owning the production equipment and therefor getting the benefits of revenue are not local companies, the jobs once built are reduced dramatically, and so far there has been no proof that any of this is economically feasible once the federal grants go away. Look up all the cuts that have happened in the field when it looked like the credits were going away.

Also the guy seems to acknowledge that most of the area does not agree with his thinking, but insists on insulting them due to the difference, not a good look or way to win allies.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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As someone who grew up in Western NY, I find this conversation funny. Imagine being in a state where the entirety of attention is focused 400 miles from where you live? I guess those living in Cortez would understand! I don't think I knew a single person who didn't want to lop off that entire corner of the state (NYC). At least in NY the divide would have been easy, rather than the island situation we have here.
We are not talking about an island, we are talking about the north eastern corner of the state, basically from just north of Brighton to the Wyoming line and east to the Kansas/ Nebraska border. Or the whole northeast portion of the state from I 25 and Highway 7 although it would include a couple of miles west of I-25 in many areas.

Also there is a major difference between this problem and what I know of people from NY, while the lifestyle differences are similar, for the most part even people in Western NY are left leaning in their political ideology. In Colorado the rural areas are significantly more conservative, while Denver is much more liberal in the ideology. It is much easier to deal with not having a voice when those that do believe at least partially the same as you do, when it is the polar opposite you have a major problem.

Add to that in New York, the city is the economic power house, in Colorado their 3 biggest industries are agriculture, tourism, and mineral extraction. All of which benefit Denver but are far from based on Denver.
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