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Old 06-10-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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I have never heard that Weld County is the wealthiest county in the state and I find that claim to be highly dubious. Either from a per capita wealth or a local GDP basis

As for resource extraction providing huge economic benefits; yes and no. The demand for local labor will increase but the companies certainly won't relocate to Weld County. The field offices will be there but the corporate offices, and the corresponding highly skilled labor, will hang out in Denver, Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City and Calgary. Weld gets the royalties and leasing payments, the other areas benefit from the corporate profits and increasing talent pools of highly-skilled labor.
You do not believe me that fine but maybe you should spend some time doing some research, I have access to proprietary information from wealth management firms, and can tell you the average net worth of Weld County residents are higher then any other county in Colorado.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Cole neighborhood, Denver, CO
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This is a nationwide rift between rural and urban areas. Downstate Illinois has been fighting Chicago for years, but for now Illinois is still one state. I don't see this realistically happening there or here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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Joining Wyoming makes more sense.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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Joining Wyoming makes more sense.
Probably a non-starter for the oil/gas money that may be watching or prodding this as WY has a higher severance tax on extractive industries than does CO.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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We are not talking about an island, we are talking about the north eastern corner of the state, basically from just north of Brighton to the Wyoming line and east to the Kansas/ Nebraska border. Or the whole northeast portion of the state from I 25 and Highway 7 although it would include a couple of miles west of I-25 in many areas.
As I recall, there's been a strong desire in Northern/rural California to "secede" from the state, or carve it up into multiple states, for the past 40-60 years. Nothing new here. Hardly ever is anything new, really. Just the same old stuff.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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You do not believe me that fine but maybe you should spend some time doing some research, I have access to proprietary information from wealth management firms, and can tell you the average net worth of Weld County residents are higher then any other county in Colorado.
I did the quick five minute research thing-a-ma-bob using the Census 2012 ACS for median household income and the BEA for local GDP. Neither show Weld County as being the wealthiest County based on those numbers. Of course, these are a snapshot of wealth generated in a specific time period and is not comparable with an average net worth.

I'll admit that net worth may show that individuals in Weld are more wealthy. But it could be that a lot of that wealth is locked up illiquid assets (such as land) and might show that individuals have a lot of book wealth that cannot be easily monetized. Now if you want to show your "proprietary information from wealth management firms" than I'd be more than willing to take a look and finding out if your claim is correct or not.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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We are not talking about an island, we are talking about the north eastern corner of the state, basically from just north of Brighton to the Wyoming line and east to the Kansas/ Nebraska border. Or the whole northeast portion of the state from I 25 and Highway 7 although it would include a couple of miles west of I-25 in many areas.
When I said island, I was referring to the Denver area ...
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:13 PM
 
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No they couldn't. Every state is heavily subsidized by the federal government whether you like it or not.

Refusing that money means drastically reduced services. No state could self sustain for very long.

Intelligent leadership can't overcome drastic shortfalls, short of going back to the days of the Wild West.
Agree 100%
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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We (the real Colorado) keep the mineral rights and let them go.
Yeah it doesn't work that way.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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Agree, and I hope this nonsense dies a quick death and the proponents suffer much ridicule.
I'm sure you do, but if these people are dirtbags then why the strong desire to suffocate them and hold them tight? Makes no sense.

I think if things keep going in the direction they are, then I'll be full support of their separation. Hickenpooper and others keep attacking the rural Coloradans that supply the cities with their food, energy and other raw materials. I say cut em off and let em starve.
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