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Old 07-15-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Well, you'd be wrong.

A true grassroots campaign to recall these tyrants overcame all the outside money from Bloomberg et al.

If people can't see that as significant, they're either ignorant, stupid, or both.
Actually the NRA is a national right-wing organization. Not too confident in your detective work there, Sherlock.

 
Old 07-15-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley,az summer/east valley Az winter
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Not directly.....yet. Don't worry, the greenies will take care of that soon. Once you give an inch, they'll take a mile. And, these new laws have caused a nationwide boycott of hunting in Colorado. Multiple hunting outfitters are reporting a severe decline in business, and may have to close their doors.

Myself, I have refused to put in for the draw this year. Next to tourism and skiing, hunting is the single largest revenue generator for the state, and when the DOW's coffers run empty, then you know what is really gonna hit the fan, and guess who will have to make up the difference in new taxes and "fees".

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Glad to hear you are refusing to put your name in the draw this year, better chance for me. Hope there are more like you. We really do not need more hunters that need more than 15 shots to hit their target anyway. I guess I haven't heard of too many hunting outfitters having trouble this year, my friend in the industry said it hurt a few years ago but his business was back on track finally.
 
Old 07-15-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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Ryan, IIRC hunting licenses for Elk sold out in mere minutes, the "boycott" evaporated. No one is going to shut down hunting season or take anyone's guns, don't believe all those viral emails, I sure don't.



Regardless, we're getting way off topic.

The recall elections will be held, but no matter the outcome, it'll be a waste of our money.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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The recall elections will be held, but no matter the outcome, it'll be a waste of our money.
I view them as a cost of living in a representative democracy. I mean they played by the rules got the needed signatures and deserve the right to have their voice heard. Now its up to the general public if we are going to keep her in office or not.
 
Old 07-15-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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I view them as a cost of living in a representative democracy. I mean they played by the rules got the needed signatures and deserve the right to have their voice heard. Now its up to the general public if we are going to keep her in office or not.
Colorado needs to change its rules so that cheap political hatefulness like this one never see the light of day. We need to limit recalls or impeachments for bona fide crimes, not unpopular decisions.

The same goes for Colorado's "government by referendum" which allows any crank with an idea to gather signatures and put something on the ballot no matter how ill advised, stupid, or unconstitutional. This stupid process is how Amendment Two got on the books, until the SCOTUS struck it down as flatly unconstitutional; I wish the same fate for the TABOR which is killing us.

We elect people to govern so they can make decisions and take actions even though their decisions and actions sometimes are not very popular with a lot of people. We elect them but then we tie their hands with Bruce's stupid TABOR, which over 400 jurisdictions in the state has opted out of, though COLO SPGS, source of much of the state's goofiness, enacted its very own TABOR for good measure. I'd be amused if it weren't so pitiful and destructive.

The current recall elections are totally inappropriate. No one recalled anyone over Amendment Two, the aggrieved parties worked through the proper court channels to get it overturned and get COLO back to sanity on that issue.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Colorado needs to change its rules so that cheap political hatefulness like this one never see the light of day. We need to limit recalls or impeachments for bona fide crimes, not unpopular decisions.

The same goes for Colorado's "government by referendum" which allows any crank with an idea to gather signatures and put something on the ballot no matter how ill advised, stupid, or unconstitutional. This stupid process is how Amendment Two got on the books, until the SCOTUS struck it down as flatly unconstitutional; I wish the same fate for the TABOR which is killing us.

We elect people to govern so they can make decisions and take actions even though their decisions and actions sometimes are not very popular with a lot of people. We elect them but then we tie their hands with Bruce's stupid TABOR, which over 400 jurisdictions in the state has opted out of, though COLO SPGS, source of much of the state's goofiness, enacted its very own TABOR for good measure. I'd be amused if it weren't so pitiful and destructive.

The current recall elections are totally inappropriate. No one recalled anyone over Amendment Two, the aggrieved parties worked through the proper court channels to get it overturned and get COLO back to sanity on that issue.
How would you change the rules?
 
Old 07-15-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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Recalls only if an elected one is convicted of a felony or major crime. Giron and Morse are not guilty of anything and have done nothing wrong. The current recalls are the politics of hate, not good government.

Impeachment of an elected one, along the lines of the Federal Government.

End the referendum process; it's just an Rx for abuse. I've seen NOTHING good come out of this process.

Amendments to the Colorado Constitution by 2/3 majority of the voters / legislature after passing a review for constitutional sufficiency.

The above is just a best guess off the top of my head, not absolutely accurate legally until vetted by proper legal review.

Colorado needs to get back to the rule of law, not the current lynch mob or cause-du-jour nonsense that makes us look stupid.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I understand what you are saying and there is some validity to it but at least we are doing this without the rioting, that is what the USA is about. I mean so it costs a few dollars again I still say that is the price for living in a representative democracy. How much would a riot cost us?
 
Old 07-15-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Recalls only if an elected one is convicted of a felony or major crime. Giron and Morse are not guilty of anything and have done nothing wrong. The current recalls are the politics of hate, not good government.

Impeachment of an elected one, along the lines of the Federal Government.
I agree that the rules should be changed to prevent recalls for purely partisan reasons, but I disagree on impeachment simply because both political parties are corrupt at their core and they'll put protecting their own ahead of what's best for the state most of the time. The Clinton Impeachment was a prime example of that. The Republican-led house impeached him, the Democrat-led Senate acquitted him. Same thing would happen here.

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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
End the referendum process; it's just an Rx for abuse. I've seen NOTHING good come out of this process.

Amendments to the Colorado Constitution by 2/3 majority of the voters / legislature after passing a review for constitutional sufficiency.
I don't mind I&R reform to prevent frivolous crap from making it on the ballot, but I'm completely against doing away with it. After living in Texas for 12 years I can tell you their initiative process sucks. The only way a measure makes it to the ballot is by approval from the legislature. It goes back to the argument I made about the parties protecting their own. They're not going to put anything on the ballot in TX unless it's completely partisan.
 
Old 07-15-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Angela Giron should not, given the demographic of her district, be vulnerable. The fact that she has been recalled and may very well lose her seat should be ample indication that Colorado is about to take a mighty swing to the right. John Morse was recalled with less than 1/3 of signatures coming from Republicans. That means that over two-thirds of recalling signatures came from Democrats and Independent. Scary for Democrats? How can it not be? There are swirling rumors that super-vulnerable Gov. Hickenlooper may not even seek a second term.

Democrats have managed to hold onto seats in this state that they frankly should have lost (e.g. Michael Bennet's Senate seat in '10). So who knows what will really happen. But Republicans have the opportunity to turn Colorado awfully red if they handle themselves well.
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