01-08-2008, 09:29 AM
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You are wrong. Period. The West has not and will not reach the end of its available resources. It will not reach the limits. There will be somewhere else that water will comes from. Availability of water is not becoming a national issue. There is nothing wrong with being the modern day California; it is very desirable. You do not hear legions of people screaming to get out of California. California is the first thing that that Colorado should emulate. It is nothing to avoid. We are not killing the goose who laid the golden egg. We are not squandering our future and we should not be ashamed.
See, I can say opposite of all you are saying and I have as much credence as you.
You should be thankful and cheerful that you are so fortunate that you have a job that is so easy or boring, that you can spend your days on your long posts here and who knows where else on the World Wide Web of Wasted Time. That is not my concern or business but I can certainly make an observation. Your posts are interesting and you are obviously educated because you write well. I have learned from your posts but they do get me to wonder what you really pretend to do for a living because you obviously have some need, some want and some talent to do something more meaningful.
Are you the only expert and arbiter of right and wrong. You live all over Colorado and are a "native", You know all theses people, here and there, and you been a part of all these meetings. Some of us have just as much education or more. Some of us have just as much experience or more. Some of us know just as many people or more. Some of us have been to just as many meetings or more. Some of us have been all over the state and can assess situation and trends, just as well or more. Some of us have experience in many diverse areas, just as good or more. So all of use have opinions, forecasts and expertise that are just as good or more.
Maybe if you can use all your talents then all of us will benefit and you can
livecontent
I will retract part of my statement about California. All of it is not a "hellhole." In fact, there are still some very beautiful places there--BUT they are not the sprawling urban areas that increasingly define the state. The shrinking number of spectacular places in California are somehow managing to survive (for now) in spite of that urbanization, not because of it. Califorinia is a rich economic center, no doubt. If that is the ONLY measure of a place, then we should all want to live in China these days, because it is the latest example of a growing economic empire.
As to the comment about my having the time to make lengthy posts on this board, I will just say that I am fortunate enough to be self-employed and can choose whatever 8-14 hours a day to work that I want to, and make time to make a post here while a I have a cup of coffee. I have also been writing for years, so I can write pretty darned fast--I've had to as part of my career. I also have to research a lot of what I write about here as part of my work, too.
I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. What I would hope that would come out of this would be a healthy debate about whether what is happening in Colorado or the rest of this country is necessary, beneficial, desirable--or not. I happen to have the opinion that a lot of it isn't, but--again--that's just my view.
01-08-2008, 09:57 AM
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jazzlover wrote:
I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to agree with my opinions.
Most of the time I agree and sometimes I don't. I ALWAYS enjoy reading your posts, wether I agree or not.
blessings...Franco
01-08-2008, 01:08 PM
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I will retract part of my statement about California. All of it is not a "hellhole." In fact, there are still some very beautiful places there--BUT they are not the sprawling urban areas that increasingly define the state. The shrinking number of spectacular places in California are somehow managing to survive (for now) in spite of that urbanization, not because of it. Califorinia is a rich economic center, no doubt. If that is the ONLY measure of a place, then we should all want to live in China these days, because it is the latest example of a growing economic empire.
As to the comment about my having the time to make lengthy posts on this board, I will just say that I am fortunate enough to be self-employed and can choose whatever 8-14 hours a day to work that I want to, and make time to make a post here while a I have a cup of coffee. I have also been writing for years, so I can write pretty darned fast--I've had to as part of my career. I also have to research a lot of what I write about here as part of my work, too.
I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. What I would hope that would come out of this would be a healthy debate about whether what is happening in Colorado or the rest of this country is necessary, beneficial, desirable--or not. I happen to have the opinion that a lot of it isn't, but--again--that's just my view.
That is very intelligent, gracious response to an angry ogre who was waiting for an easy nibble-----I will have to crawl back under my bridge and wait for a less formidable snack.
Thank You,
Livecontent
01-08-2008, 01:46 PM
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01-08-2008, 02:00 PM
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That is very intelligent, gracious response to an angry ogre who was waiting for an easy nibble-----I will have to crawl back under my bridge and wait for a less formidable snack.
Thank You,
Livecontent
livecontent, whether or not we agree, you are OK!
jl
01-08-2008, 02:24 PM
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Charles,
When I was a kid in New York--California was the place that people dreamed of being and seeing. There was no other state that was more desired then the farthest state, that few New Yorkers saw because of cost and distance.
Yes, we went to Florida but California was the place of movies, of television, of stars, of Disneyland. Ah, the thought and the dreams of many.
I remember the first day I saw California when I alighted from a plane in Monterey for my Army Assignment at the Presidio of Monterey--almost 40 years ago. I just could not believe the beauty of the Peninsula--Carmel, Pacific Grove, Cannery Row. I read all the Steinbeck novels and went to the actual locations in the book. This was when Cannery Row was decayed, closed and boarded up--but it stll had doc's office, The Bear Flag, and the Prostitutes in front of the San Marco Hotel.
The day I saw Disneyland is still etched in my memory. It was an odd feeling to see the names on the street signs because I heard them so often in movies and TV--
77 Sunset Strip --I looked for Cookie.
I remember the tears
when I first saw San Francisco--the cable cars, fisherman's wharf, Golden Gate Bridge....
My first trip down Hwy.1 and seeing names of towns that I were so familiar, of the ocean, Malibu, Santa, Barbara.....
You grew up in California--you will never have that feeling of awe, of excitement because California was and is a symbol of American Culture.
I have been back many times for pleasure and business and I am still stunned into appreciation of such a great and beautiful state.
To point to these posts of people who do not like California--so what??? I know and you know that California has so many people because it was, and very much is, a very desirable place to live. It continue to attract many, many people from all over the world; the population is still growing with people moving from other states, not just illegals and more instate births.
Yes, there are problems but that is because it is such a magnet to a diverse population; it is a big population; it is a big state--Maybe it needs to be separated into two states--North and South to make it more manageable. But whatever you say, we all know that many more people find it a great place to live and will never leave.
I can say the same about the City of New York--Yet it is growing and growing, more people why???? People love the Big Apple. People grow up there and never leave. Yet it is renown for crime, big ghettos, difficult people--Why is it growing and the rest of the state is dying and losing population???? I have lived and worked in "The City" and still do not have a complete answer in my mind.
You left Los Angeles because you must of felt it was not that great for you. I left New York City for maybe similar reasons--Yet, in both cases, people stay and love these cities. Why?????
Yes, when I was young--California was noted for the great social programs, the great universities, the beginning of the culture of the sixties--it was and is to me and many people of my generation---The Golden State.
So in my mind, maybe it is irrational; an attack on California and the people of California is an attack on me, my desires, my memories and what I deem part of the greatness of the nation. That is the big reason, Jazzlover's statements annoyed this ogre.
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01-08-2008, 06:53 PM
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I would like to clarify: I was not agreeing that California is a hell-hole, or that people should be kept from moving here or any of the like. I was agreeing with just the opposite.
I will say a few words about the "desperate" water situation in Georgia. I just read recently that they only received 31" of rain this year. That is about twice what we get in an average year! So maybe the problem isn't how much water they are getting but their water management system.
01-09-2008, 10:37 AM
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LIVECONTENT,
WOW I read your post and those were the exact same feelings i had when i first landed in California..I still remember the day....... I almost did cry to because i felt as if i was on the Moon.... Cali is part of American Culture and it will always be an Iconic State.....When i saw those mountains and the pacific ocean i was taken back by it all... Orange County was very beautiful those homes and those who are lucky enough to be born into that life are very lucky... In the end California is very beautiful but....
**************** It Aint No Colorado****************
Thats my future home state....
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)